V&C began a "close cooperation" agreement with JLC in 1928 or so. Many times it wasn't simply ebauche supply, but outright full movement, though JLC would disassemble and send the kits to Geneva for V&C as well as PP to decorate and reassemble to the Geneva Seal's 12 criteria.
I agree with you wholeheartedly that the movements, if regularly maintained, would still work almost flawlessly today.
The calendar watch you posted was a direct, full movement to V&C.
Thanks for sharing your post.
Oooh Bill, you certainly know how to provoke a response ;-) I wholeheartedly agree with your selection but would also advocate for the automatic tour-de-force that followed...the caliber 107x family.
These 29-jewel masterpieces were introduced in 1959 as a substantial reworking of the JLC calibre 872 and replaced the short-lived 1019 automatic; itself based on the JLC calibre 499. Some of V&C's most artistic, even flamboyant, models used this movement.
Thanks for the reminder re Cioccolatone Bill. The model was launched in the early 1950's with the 477 bumper-wind movement, followed by the 499 rotor-winding auto and the caliber 1019 in 1956. It appears both the 1019 and 1071 were used for a period, then the 29-jewel movement exclusively until the end around 1967.
The list of models available with the 1071/1072 is surprisingly large: 6307, 6378, 6394, 6440, 6441, 6465, 6562, 6592, 6597, 6694, 6732, 6782, 7375, 7397, and I'm sure more that I do not have records for. Please feel free to add to this list anyone!
Great selection of movements!
Love the TD especially with the teardrops lugs!
Hope you don’t mind me saying hello with a pair of JLC sisters!
As Dean mentioned VC and JLC movement shared a lot back then.
This pair has the JLC Cal 464/A.
By the way, had the chance to see the American 1921 in the metal today.
What a delight!
...to show with some beautiful vintage ladies and documentation to deepen the discussion. These history lessons are good for a neophyte like me to deepen my appreciation for these brands.
I really like that 464/A movement photo. That is a great looking movement.
So, my friend....the 1921. You tried it on, and it looks perfect on your wrist. I want to hear some more of what you think of this one. Since, this is a thread about VC movements, let's start there. What do you think of the cal. 4400? Are you considering this watch at all?
I found this movement catalogue just some weeks ago.
Only reason I picked it up was because many of the movements/parts are the same as for JLC movements.
Still have no VC in my collection, but if I would go for one, the 1921 is definitely on the top of the list!
But it didn’t sing to me as loud as I would have expected…
After seeing photos of the 1921 I had very high expectations…
The size – a bit big, IMO. I would preferred a smaller size, not much but a tad…
Second, the movement is much smaller then the case.
So when you turn it over to see the movement, the opening is quite small compared with the case.
Now I am very picky…
I must point out that it is a stunning watch, and I would be a lucky bastard if I had it..!
Best, my friend
BlommanThis message has been edited by blomman on 2010-10-03 11:30:23
I was at an event a couple of weeks ago where the VC representative explained to me, in between wiping my drool from the watch, that VC made this new movement bigger just so that they could put it into bigger watches -- and yet it still seems too small to you. Very funny. I actually do not have a problem with the size of the movement compared to the case, perhaps because it is not a round case...I am not sure why.
Thanks for the extra pic. You know how to hurt a guy. ;0(
But compared to many other brands/watches the back crystal is quite small in relation to the case.
It doesn’t have to be like the IWC’s Portuguese, but I do like when you don’t feel like a small peephole.
I love the TD’s.
About the movement, as I wrote in my later comment, maybe I was unfair.
When I saw your report of the 1921 I got really excited so my expectations were maybe too high and in the wrong direction.
In my mind (from the look of the watch) I thought it would feel like a vintage watch…
The size is like a modern watch, so the feeling was not what I expected.
And, as I said… “it is a stunning watch, and I would be a lucky bastard if I had it..!”
This is a great thread. The movement pics are wonderful to see, and I appreciate the history lesson from you, Dean and Blomman. I had not realized that there was a relationship between JLC and VC as far back as the '20s.
You know, if I were really pressed to find one flaw with the American 1921 (oh no, here he goes again!), I guess I might take issue with the look of the movement. Is it as beautiful to look at as some of these other movements by VC? I wonder what you all think about it...I understand how beautifully finished it is, and how good the design appears to be in terms of servicability, and I admire the design for including a nicely done 60-hour power reserve. But I guess, just at the most superficial level, I am not sure I think that it looks stunning. Do you understand what I mean?
Thanks again for this interesting thread. I am emjoying it a lot.
I would love to see such a thread on VC dials.
I, too, think I have grown comfortable with the c.4400. Only time will tell if it turns out to be a fine movement that serves VC well over many years. It is still in its infancy, I would guess.