Patek Philippe

Hi all, just received the latest issue. There is an interview with Philippe Stern on the initiative behind the seal. Best, C

If the most recent Patek Philippe magazine issue is the one with the microscope image of purple seed on the cover, I've read the Stern interview.

Personally, I didn't gather any new information, as the of this forum have already mentioned and discussed nearly everything addressed in the magazine, but it was still a good read and a nice confirmation from Mr. Stern.

I recently read one of the very recent issues of Watchtime magazine which confirms why I think Patek made the departure from the Geneva Seal. Watchtime had a more radical and provoking explanation of Patek's radical departure from the Geneva Seal.

I had also suspected (from my own logic and premonitions) the Roger Dubuis movements and the new Cartier in-house Tourbillon movement were instrumental to why Patek had left the Geneva Seal. Apparently, some editor at Watchtime shares my exact same sentiments.
This message has been edited by patrick_y on 2009-05-29 12:50:07

I received my PP magazine today.

Will look forward to reading it.

Nonetheless I am now starting to wonder of the point of this new Seal's enactment exactly. There was no mention of the Seal being available to all, leading me to presuppose that PP is simply putting an official name to its quality and reliability? Of course when Mr Stern stated that "top management" would be empowered to regulate this new Seal, and that both himself and Thierry (again stated in the interview) would be responsible for the compliance of these 'new standards', leads me to question the validity and thus credibility of this Seal. Even if the Seal were open to others would you actually believe that respected high-end brands would wish their top products to be assessed by a competitor?
This message has been edited by KCLQMULKU on 2009-05-29 14:32:59

i agree this has been discussed at nauseum shuld it say at every forum. my idea is that patek went ahead and change the seal. ALL we can do is wait and see what happens. i still think it is the same thing as the 'CORONATION OF NAPOLEON'. What did it do nothing.... we will see thanks jorge

The seal has no logic, as everyone has already stated. They have their name on the dial, buckle, movement, case, its all over the place. That is their seal of quality.

In the long run, this move will hurt them as quality could fall and still the seal would be in place. If other brands are smart, they will use it against them in advertising. Now Patek is stuck as they can't go back. Having an outside stamp of quality is just good marketing period. Rolex doesn't need that COSC certificate, but they are smart to keep up with it. It's just something we have all grown to trust over the years and it shows they are willing to be inspected by a third party.

It's all about marketing and having your own seal is just not good marketing in my mind.

No logic at all....just marketing arrogance. It has actually put me off a bit. In this aspect I prefer the Journe attitude of "my watches are accurate and highly finished enough for me - so I don't need to subscribe to any external services, seals or tests".
Tim

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Hi,

Here is one I like:  patek.watchprosite.com /

Cheers

Dje

Personally, I don't care about the seal, either of them.  What I care about is to see the Patek-Philippe mark on the dial.. and that the watch is performing the way a Patek should, the way that Antoine Patek and Adrien Philippe would want it to be..the best possible.   That mark is all that is necessary..it speaks volumes all by itself and brings to mind the incredible history of the firm, what it represents,  and that I can be a part of that .

 A seal is not necessary to carry on the tradition of the founders.

 


This message has been edited by Dje on 2009-05-31 02:28:55

... I wonder if anyone have seen a Grand Seiko recently ??  Talk about a watch with NO seal .... its quality is just as fine as A.Lange, Patek or VC.  Delivering high quality movements, great finishings, and a much lower price tag.  Seal, what seal ??

 

I've owned at least one GS and while nice, there is no comparison to Patek and especially not Journe or Lange! IMHO! But I completely agree the seal is a misstep, better to have just abandoned the Geneva Seal and let the watches speak for themselves.

Seems unnecessary and blatantly self-serving.  I always view Patek as above the need for a seal like this.  In fact,  I think it would have been more clever to have 'no' seal..  no COSC no Geneva seal, no patek, nothing.  Just drop it, and if people ask, say "We don't need a seal to prove our work"