A special request for our community members that own a Moonshine: . . .

Jan 30, 2020,09:33 AM
 





. . . would you be willing to participate in a ten-day 'on-the-wrist' timing test?

The reason I ask is because the cal 3861 represents a third-generation Professional movement that should in theory perform exceptionally well.  There are enough owners in this community for a meaningful conclusion to be drawn. 

Can all 2019 Apollo 11 owners reply in this thread?  I realize most, if not all, of you wouldn't normally wear your Moonshine for ten straight days, but if you're all amenable, we'll be able to provide the entire Omega fan base with food for thought.

Cordially,

Art


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It’s an interesting idea Art....

 
 By: Cpt Scarlet : January 30th, 2020-09:54
I just need to contemplate having it on my wrist for 10 days. ...  

hi Art, you could also include the members with the Apollo 11 50th Anniversary in SS as well since it also uses the 3861 caliber...

 
 By: holdemchamp1225 : January 30th, 2020-11:24
as for a 10 day on the wrist timing test, that is asking ALOT of me since I change watches daily and sometimes twice a day I could try and do a weekend or 3 days BUT 10 days is torture

Unfortunately i don't own one,

 
 By: raymond74 : January 30th, 2020-11:55
but I was allowed to see, feel and handle it by one of our forum-menbers. What a magnificent piece! All the lucky owners out there, congrats!!!

True, true. But . . .

 
 By: Dr No : January 30th, 2020-15:09
. . . we should try for meaningful data that will stand up to scrutiny. I realize ten days amounts to a torture test. I'm also confident every volunteer will survive. ...  

I hardly wear this MG watch unless for occasions or dinner events but like some members suggested, the SS model also has 3861...

 
 By: I_am_Clueless : January 30th, 2020-14:09
What is the requirement on winding the watch? Daily? Check against iPhone Clock? I don't have any official timing tool. I also suggest <10 days since I don't have it at home, need to make trips to bank.

I realize this is a daunting request, gents, but . . .

 
 By: Dr No : January 30th, 2020-14:26
. . . this is a community known for sharing and caring. There's at least half a dozen Moonshines (and thanks, Bruce, for mentioning the steel Apollo 11) here that would form the basis of a reasonable sample population. Omega must've experienced extensive ... 

To get a good data...

 
 By: I_am_Clueless : January 30th, 2020-14:51
You need to define some standard conditions, plus some variables or acceptable windows I came from an Engineering background so it’ll be easier if you set the process and procedures for us to follow.

We can discuss those details . . .

 
 By: Dr No : January 30th, 2020-14:55
. . . after we get our volunteers. For now, I'm looking for as many brave and hardy souls as possible. The more, the better. ...  

I have taken up the challenge Raymond...

 
 By: holdemchamp1225 : January 30th, 2020-14:56
at least I will try and see how it plays out. For parameters, this is what I suggest: 1. Wind the watch once per day (24h cycle) at or around the same time every day to be consistent 2. Wear the watch as much as possible during the day regardless of activ... 

Vary resting position dial up Day 1, then dial down Day 2 . . .

 
 By: Dr No : January 30th, 2020-14:58
. . . and repeat thru Day 10. Reasonable?

Ten isn't divisible . . .

 
 By: Dr No : January 30th, 2020-15:11
. . . by four. Also, it's tougher to do consistently unless you have a proper jig. And I doubt any of us have one. But dial up / down should be do-able for everyone.

. . . or twelve - even better! . . .

 
 By: Dr No : January 30th, 2020-16:07
. . . but seriously, it'll be difficult to consistently maintain perpendicular position without a dedicated jig.

Your point makes sense so I will make the effort and see how long I can last starting first thing tomorrow...

 
 By: holdemchamp1225 : January 30th, 2020-14:51
this will probably be the longest period I have gone or will go wearing ONLY 1 watch so no promises 😅🤣😂 I will try and report back by starting a separate thread with current status and timing as it happens 👍

That's the spirit! Attaboy, Bruce. You can be . . .

 
 By: Dr No : January 30th, 2020-14:56
. . . our team leader. Art

Moonshine speedie back at Biel

 
 By: BWA : January 30th, 2020-23:08
My brand new Moonshine Speedie is back at Biel HQ since it stopped one morning on a full wind. So much for an 'advanced movement' that is a 'master chronometer' that went to the moon and back. They are still checking it. TOTALLY DISSAPOINTED WITH THE EXPE... 

Sorry to hear that you've had a problem with your Moonshine...

 
 By: holdemchamp1225 : January 30th, 2020-23:40
so far, I have not had any problems BUT I can assure you it has nothing to do with this specific model as I have had problems with several NEW watches from AP, Blancpain, Patek, Rolex, and Vacheron which also had to be resolved under warranty. Many of tho... 

Fingers crossed..

 
 By: BWA : January 31st, 2020-07:58
Yes, I hope so too. I have also had Vacherons, Langes and Panerais go back so didn't expect it from Omega after all the hype for this one...

I don’t doubt what you say...

 
 By: Cpt Scarlet : January 31st, 2020-01:31
But I would like to reassure you as every Speedmaster that I own including the beautiful Moonshine have operated perfectly. I’m sure that you will have it back on your wrist to enjoy very soon. Do you have a photo of it to share with us?

Movement damage could've occurred . . .

 
 By: Dr No : January 31st, 2020-13:29
. . . en route to the point of sale. Unlikely, but not impossible. I'm not sure if you're suggesting all cal 3861 movements are suspect. My sense is that your experience is an outlier, and not representative. Cordially, Art

Yes..

 
 By: BWA : January 31st, 2020-17:49
I am only referring to my watch, where the caliber didn't run the full course of winding promised and stopped. Hoping Omega will sort it out for good and I can continue enjoying to wear it.

I’m sorry to hear that.

 
 By: Cpt Scarlet : January 31st, 2020-15:50
No message body

Oh BWA!! Regret to read that and can well understand your disappointment!

 
 By: Subexplorer : January 31st, 2020-15:50
I’m sure Omega will be very interested to fix this problem asap and hope will be returning the watch in perfect working condition for you to enjoy it ss you deserve. It shouldn’t have happened this but you know... it happens some times. Please keep us pos... 

Thanks

 
 By: BWA : January 31st, 2020-17:51
Yeah, Oomega are. I reached out to Raynald Aeschlimann, the CEO and he was quick to respond. I long to wear it soon..

That’s great !! I think Mr Aeschlimann will take care...

 
 By: Subexplorer : January 31st, 2020-19:27
... of your watch problem! All the best! Abel

Hi Art, as you might remember, Ambos and I did a 5 day test for our Geophysic True Seconds watches in 2015 and posted it here

 
 By: Seeks : January 31st, 2020-07:43
It would be great to see the 12 day results although I have not worn many watches for 12 days. Let me do that with the Apollo 11 50th Ann the next time I take a 2 week vacation ! Anyway, for what it's worth.. Here is the original thread www.watchprosi... 

Hello dear Art! Sorry for my delay in answering but I just saw your post today. It is a very interesting proposal to check this new 3861 Omega caliber...

 
 By: Subexplorer : January 31st, 2020-13:26
... and I would love to help. Wearing during ten days the Moonshine is a bit complicated for me here due to security in my Country which makes wearing a watch like this under certain conditions. But ... would be possible to check the Steel 50th Anniversar... 

The steel Apollo 11 works, too, Abel . . .

 
 By: Dr No : January 31st, 2020-13:33
. . . and thanks for volunteering - the more, the better! Start by giving the Speedmaster a full wind set precisely to an atomic clock, then wind it once per day. At night, take it off your wrist and place it dial up. Same the second night but dial down. ... 

Hi Abel....

 
 By: Cpt Scarlet : February 1st, 2020-02:10
It would be good to know which watch each person has used Moonshine or 50th.

Perfect my dear Captain! [nt]

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 1st, 2020-15:54

Ha ha ha! Of course! ;) [nt]

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 1st, 2020-15:59

Hello Friends! Calling all Volunteers and let´s go on with Art project of testing our Speedmaster Apollo 11 50th Anniversary model watches.

 
 By: Subexplorer : January 31st, 2020-18:08
At request of our friend Art I will host the thread till Art returns next Monday. Let´s start as per his own instructions above: You may participate with any of the two Apollo 11 50th Anniversary models: Gold Moonshine or Steel/gold Moonshine as both are ... 

Hello friends! I set my watch today, February 1st at 10:03 AM local time after a few trials setting the seconds hand and minute hand exactly. I´m using my steel model.

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 1st, 2020-05:26
I see that the steel model has no indication of seconds in its sub dial, but I feel I will have no problem to find the deviation of the watch with some little care. I set my watch with the "Watchville" Iphone App which I find reliable source and use frequ... 

Hi Abel, as stated earlier in the thread I started wearing the Moonshine yesterday morning...

 
 By: holdemchamp1225 : February 1st, 2020-05:36
I fully wound the movement and set the exact time against the atomic clock application I have on my Note 10 plus. This was done at 8:30 am (Paris time so GMT +1). I set the watch down last night prior to going to bed dial side up on my dresser. When I rew... 

Perfect report Holdemchamp!! I understand your feelings...

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 1st, 2020-07:40
... about wearing same watch during several days as I also like to change watches almost daily. But I feel this is an interesting challenge to prove our strength and to test our watches! Look forward to your post! Cheers! Abel

First 24 hours check shows no variation which I could measure...

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 2nd, 2020-05:16
... in my steel watch. Made at 10:05 local time. Sunday 2nd February. My test begun yestarday Daturday Morning 10:03 am Watch wss laid on my night stand at night. Dial up. Cheers! Abel ...  

Monday February 3rd. Morning check at 10:10 Am. 48 hours from start of trial.

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 3rd, 2020-06:06
a two seconds loss was detected. I had more activity during Sunday with my watch and left it on my nightstand dial down. Full wind after checking. Cheers! Abel.

Tuesday February 4th . Morning check at 10:00 AM local time. 72 hours from start of trial

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 4th, 2020-05:21
Watch was put to rest yesterday night with dial up. This morning check shows the watch gained two seconds and it is now spot on. Cheers! Abel.

Wednesday February 5th . Morning check at 10:00 AM local time. 96 hours since start of trial. Full wind after checking as in previous days.

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 5th, 2020-05:28
Watch was put to rest yesterday night with dial down. This morning check shows a gain of one second. This watch is amazingly accurate! I am using a loupe to check as accurately as I can the deviation of the minute hand against the auditive sgnal of my Wat... 

Thrusday - February 6th - Morning check at 10:00 AM local time 120 hours since start. Full wind after checking.

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 6th, 2020-05:35
Watch was put to rest yesterday night with dial up. This morning check shows a gain of one aditional second. So the watch accumulates a total deviation of two seconds gain during the first 120 hours of test. It also shows influence of position of watch di... 

Five seconds in two days would be remarkable. Two seconds . . .

 
 By: Dr No : February 6th, 2020-18:17
. . . over five days? Incredible!

Absolutely agree dear Art. But please note my check of today Friday below! Absolutely incredible! Spot on again!

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 7th, 2020-05:18
It seems that my watch gains two seconds when I put it to rest dial up and loses two seconds when I leave it dial down. Guess it follows the rule! I´m really astonished with its performance! Best, Abel.

Friday - February 7th - Morning check at 10:05 AM local time. 144 hours since start. Full winding after checking.

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 7th, 2020-05:26
Watch was put to rest yesterday night with dial down. This morning check shows it is again Spot On!! That´s amazing indeed! Since yesterday morning check my watch lost two seconds compensating the gain of last two days. Best, Abel.

Hello Holdenchamp! I´m truly amazed with these results. As a matter of fact I start the check and repeat it several times with the App and my loup to be sure of my results.

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 7th, 2020-05:44
Please note that my watch is the Steel case with moonshine details version. Anyway it employs the same 3861 movement of the Moonshine gold version. Now I´m curious to test my Moonshine as I would like to know if it shows similar performance. Regret we are...  

Your results are reason enough for every 3861 owner . . .

 
 By: Dr No : February 7th, 2020-06:24
. . . to participate in this timing survey. And what's most astonishing is that there's purportedly little in the way of human intervention with this caliber compared to the chronometers that made Omega famous. The chronometer calibers revered by vintage ...  

Interesting comments dear Art. Technology seems to replace that inervention of the past. I´m really amazed with these results and those reported by Holdemchamp...

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 7th, 2020-07:18
... and I expect we will receive more similar reports from other owners here. Cheers! Abel

Saturday 8th check report. At 10:10 Am local time. 168 hours since start. Full winding after checking.

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 8th, 2020-05:54
Watch shows a three seconds gain this morning. It rested dial up last night.

I think we can call it a day, Abel. + 3 over the course of a week? Amazing. Thanks ever so much for . . .

 
 By: Dr No : February 8th, 2020-10:05
. . . stepping up to the plate, as we say Stateside. Very much appreciated! Impressed, Art

I observed the watch seemed to "accelerate" yesterday as it showed a deviation of about five seconds at night. I don´t know the reason.

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 8th, 2020-10:31
This morning check the deviation was three seconds. May be it is related with my activity? In any case the watch keeps an amazing accuracy. Nice to learn a new saying! (step up to the plate) ) My pleasure to participate!! Cheers! Abel

Sunday 9th check report. At 10:05 local time. 192 hours since start . Full winding after checking.

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 9th, 2020-05:19
Watch shows a three seconds gain since yesterday. Accumulating a 6 seconds gain since starting the test last Saturday February 1st. This is a great performance indeed. It is worth saying here that this is the first time since buying the watch that I wear ... 

Monday 10th check report. At 10:05 AM local time. 216 hours since start. Full wind after check.

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 10th, 2020-05:31
Watch shows today an additional one second gain since yesterday. Accumulates 7 seconds gain since start. It rested dial up yesterday night. Best, Abel

Tuesday 11th check report. At 10:10 AM local time. 240 hours since start. Full wind after check. Model:Steel case with moonshine gold accents. 3861 Movement.

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 11th, 2020-05:36
My watch shows a loss of one second since yesterday accumulating six (6) seconds net gain since start of the ten days timing test which ends today for my watch. No need to say that I´m more than satisfied with the accuracy of this watch. I hope other owne...  

Bravo Abel, thanks for doing the test for the full 10 day period...

 
 By: holdemchamp1225 : February 11th, 2020-05:43
Your Apollo 11 50th in SS seems to be extremely accurate. Congrats also go out to Omega for making such an outstanding caliber.

Top results, Abel - and thanks . . .

 
 By: Dr No : February 11th, 2020-13:22
. . . for being such a good sport, seeing the trial thru ten days. It must've been difficult on your other watches! Incidentally, I was wearing one of my more adroitly adjusted vintage Omegas from last Thursday until yesterday, the Genève chronometer cal ... 

Dear Art: it was my big pleasure to participate in this test. I wish...

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 11th, 2020-15:11
... I will be able to repeat it with my gold Moonshine along mid year when our winter requires use of long sleeves and will be able to wear it more safely and under radar. Interesting to read the performances of your vintage Omega! They honor the well est... 

Aloha....

 
 By: I_am_Clueless : February 16th, 2020-09:45
Brought the Moonshine for vacation and has been testing it: Day 1: 1s Day 2: -2s Day 3: 0s Day 4: 0s All these days , watch was wind everyday but sat face up for days 1/2 and in watch roll for days 3/4. I’m wearing it today but I think I’m very happy with...  

It sounds like great results Raymond but the point of the exercise was to time the watch during constant daily wear...

 
 By: holdemchamp1225 : February 16th, 2020-10:44
What you seem to be doing is winding the watch and leaving it stationary. You might want to rethink a time when you will be able to wear either your Moonshine or Apollo 11 50th Anniversary in SS for a week straight of constant wear without changing watche... 

I wearing it today so will have a datapoint...

 
 By: I_am_Clueless : February 16th, 2020-12:25
It’s hard like you said

Thanks for giving the test a try, Raymond . . .

 
 By: Dr No : February 16th, 2020-10:55
. . . and duly impressed with the results. Art