The mysterious Panerai 318.

Nov 06, 2011,07:46 AM
 

 

 

The mysterious Panerai 318.

 

It took me some time but I managed to find somebody who has a PAM318. I wanted to see this piece irl, I had to see it to believe it.

So thanks to the owner and thanks for having the guts to open this piece.

Let's start with a couple of pics of that good looking piece


Well, the watch itself is not mysterious but the movement is VERY strange.
I know that most Panerai collectors are not very much interested in Geneva stripes, bevelling, gold chatons, perlage, swan neck regulators and all the other thing which
we'll see on good finished movements.


Panerai is a tool watch, right ?
If you want something with a superb finishing, buy a Patek Philippe!
I agree but not 100%. The movement might not be the most important factor when buying a Panerai. Most of us buy them because of the looks, size, robustness, DNA, etc.
On the other hand, since Panerai started making inhouse movements I think we must admit that movements are important too.
Today, with 8 inhouse movements, Panerai is not anymore what it used to be. I went from a tool watch to a toolwatch manufacture.
The calibers P9000 - P3000 - P2002 - P2003 - P2004 - P2005 and P2006 are the reasons why Panerai got a lot of attention. Not only
by those who knew Panerai since years but also by other people who started to respect them because they became a manufacture.
Using ONLY modified ETA- Valjoux ébauches is the easy way but developing inhouse movements is the right thing to do if you want to get respect from all kind of watch collectors .


Anyway, not every movement has to be inhouse. In the past not 1 single was inhouse.Long ago it were ofcourse Angulus and Rolex movements but since 1993 ETA - Valjoux - Unitas was the base movement.

Here you have a list of these well known MODIFIED movements

OP I Panerai used them from 1997, base is an ETA 6497, used for the PAM000, PAM002,PAM009,PAM010,PAM055,PAM360

OP II ALso since 1997, same , base is the 6497/2, Used for the PAM005,PAM036,PAM082,PAM001,PAM003,PAM004,PAM022,PAM026,PAM056,PAM026,PAM040,PAM037,PAM061,PAM366,PAM412,PAM420,PAM413,PAM414,PAM380,



OP X Panerai used them from 2002, base is an ETA 6497,used for the PAM219,PAM112,PAM114,PAM176,PAM210,PAM231,PAM232,PAM249,PAM262,PAM116,



OP XI Panerai used them from 2002, base is an ETA 6497/2,Used for the PAM111 ,PAM113,PAM177 ,PAM183,PAM292,PAM127,PAM172,PAM217,PAM118,PAM115 ,PAM117


UNITAS 6497 : basically the same movement as the ones above but in the Pré-V era smile, PAM5218-201/A ,PAM5218-201/A,PAM5218-202/A,PAM5218-203/A,PAM5218-205/A,PAM5218-207/A,PAM5218-209,PAM5218-210,PAM5218-218/A,

(LAST picture : credits to Maurits bollen)

As you can see, this movement is still good for a HUGE part of all Panerai watches.

No problem thus far, You knew what you got when buying one of these watches. If your watch has a display back, you still can admire a good looking movement.
If it hasn't a display back, you know how it looks like because in every Panerai catalog you'll find pics of what an OP I , OP II, OP X or OP XI stands for.
You'll see it is a Unitas which looks much better than a standard Unitas.

Now what the hell went wrong with the Panerai 318 ???
At first sight one should expect an OP II or OP XI (XI is used for the display back so an OP II would have been the right choice)

But no, the movement seems to be an OP XXIX

This is the difference : The OPII has 21,600 alternations / hour and is COSC, The OP has XXIX 18,000 alternations per hour and is not COSC.

But it is very difficult to get more info on this XXIX, ask Panerai for info and you won't get what you hoped for smile. Only that the OP XXIX is exclusive for the PAM318.
Yes, the PAM318 is the ONLY Panerai which ever used this mysterious OP XXIX movement.

Now, when you open the watch, you'll see why Panerai doesn't want to give too much info. As much as I love Panerai watches, this is a shame.
Show this to anybody who ever saw some Panerai movements and he'll tell you that you're scammed. Yes, he'll say you bought a fake.
Besides, I took this watch to an AD and had to convince him that this watch is indeed a genuine Panerai. If he wouldn't know me I bet he wouldn't even believe me.
 
Just look at it. This piece of crap can be found in several watches under 500 euro. It's a cheap completely unfinished Unitas and as far as I know it's not even the best Unitas.
These movements come in different grades and this is definitely NOT the best they could buy.

This movement has nothing that makes you think it's a Panerai, no Geneva stripes, no bevelling, NO blued screws, no perlage (under the bridges), there's not even stamped 'Panerai' on any of the bridges.
The drilled holes for screws or jewels look bad.
And not all of these finishing option are just for the looks. Bevelling for example is much more than visual improvement  Bevelling limits the risk of corrosion.

Here you have some pics from the 414 movement (OP XI) and the 318 movement (OP XXIX)

For those who are blind, left is the 414 right is the 318

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So why the hell did this disaster ever got out of the factory ? Is this an error.Was it supposed to be like this ? I can't imagine it!
I just can't imagine that a top brand like Panerai would risk it's reputation to save a few Euro's. They only made 150 of these so it can't make a big difference. Maybe they saved 15.000 euro on the whole batch
But what is 15.000 euro for a company that sells about 50.000 watches per year at an average of 5.000 (?) euro.

So I give them the benefit of the doubt and I think this was not ment to be. Maybe something went wrong in their quality check process. If this was intended they really would take a big risk because I think nobody will accept
such a thing in a watch which costed several thousands of Dollars 2 years ago.

Besides,if this was intended we would see a lot more references with this XXIX movement (why not all the pig dial boutique watches, the 41x or what about the 366 'FU' for China)
If they used this movement for only 150 watches I have a feeling something went wrong and they will never make this mistake again.

Another possible indication that the OP XXIX is a mistake is the fact that in their 'limited edition catalog 1997 - 2010' there is nothing said about the XXIX.
On the contrary, when you look at the PAM318 they talk about an OPII smile smile smile . Is this a mistake in their catalog or are they really ashamed for this error ?
"Don't wake a sleeping dog" ??? Better mention nothing about the XXIX, people might ask questions.

 




Don't worry, everybody makes mistakes. How or why these 150 slipped through is something we'll probably never know.

But I guess all the work was done and they were ready for shipment, when somebody discovered this mistake and they decided not to start all over again but just rename it to the OP XXIX
 

From the perspective of a collector I think this is very interesting, I think it can become an instant collectible
Something like an 'error card' or a 'postage stamp error', well you know what I mean.
One day these pieces could become very sought after, with only 150 of them they are VERY RARE.

Maybe I should start looking for one smile

As a last note, to make it even more mysterious I would like to talk about conspiracy.
You know, there is an American saying ''to sell someone the Brooklyn Bridge' ..... google it's meaning and you'll be quite surprised.
Too lazy ? Here's the meaning;
sell someone the Brooklyn Bridge : to cheat someone in a business deal. -- *American English synonyms or related words for this sense of the Brooklyn Bridge* To cheat or trick someone: cheat, rip off, deceive, trick, swindle, entrap, string along, dupe, bilk, double-cross
 
 
Nooooooo, please tell me they wouldn't dare and this bridge on the back is coincidence LOL


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Benefit of the doubt !

 
 By: bimbeano : November 6th, 2011-08:02
If it was a very cheap Miyota movement you couldn't give them that benefit ... ... but with this Swiss movement maybe the supplier made an error .... ... and if Panerai has some blind people working for them they couldn't have known it ... . Indeed hard t... 

There is few place to the doubt.

 
 By: amanico : November 6th, 2011-08:07
When it comes to making money, there is no place to Doubt, my friend. And even less to 150 mistakes, unless Panerai has an army of blind watchmakers. Well, it may be an explanation... There is even a long tradition of mistakes, these last 7 years... Aaah,... 

I like the ....

 
 By: P@trick@Belgium : November 6th, 2011-13:20
" long tradition of mistakes, these last 7 years... " it reminds me a bit the new style of car builders like BMW Audi Mercedes ... they show up every few months with a new model but they don't tell you that we are the "testdrivers" ..... Laboratorio di Id... 

would you ?

 
 By: Bruno.M1 : November 6th, 2011-13:50
Would you Patrick ? If you had one and you could send it back, knowing that they would put an OP II in it for free ? To be honest, I wouldn't. Definitely not !! It's like Rolex that would sawp a red sub dial with a new whte dial in your 1680, and why not ... 

So according to you

 
 By: PoyFR : November 6th, 2011-22:40
If you buy a BMW branded car that was sold to you with a Skoda engine, you would not change it because of Rolex status? I think that when you pay for something you ought to get what must be with or in it. And if you do let them get away with it, what's ne... 

my point of view

 
 By: Bruno.M1 : November 7th, 2011-04:13
This watch is only an 'inhouse' miammamia, personally I agree with those that expect Panerai to re-call those piece - Maybe they will but would you send your Daytona with 'Patrizzi' dial back to Rolex to get a new white dial without this discolored error ... 

You seem confused

 
 By: PoyFR : November 7th, 2011-06:33
My point is: Q1. - Maybe they will but would you send your Daytona with 'Patrizzi' dial back to Rolex to get a new white dial without this discolored error ? Or what about the cream Explorer A1: No I would not return it, you know why because they branded ... 

And, how about defying the replica market? [nt]

 
 By: PoyFR : November 7th, 2011-06:38
No message body

They are not used to apologize, either.

 
 By: amanico : November 6th, 2011-14:07
And apologizing would mean that they assume that they made a mistake, which is not in their tradition... Either. Best, Nicolas.

That is an educated guess ;-) [nt]

 
 By: PoyFR : November 6th, 2011-22:25
No message body

When I saw the movement of the 318 ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : November 6th, 2011-10:16
for the first time, I was shocked. Never expected top finish from that brand, but raw like this?! Do they take their collectors serious? Oliver

Inexcusable! [nt]

 
 By: aboen : November 6th, 2011-10:26
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Times are hard, his father has no money, and his mother is severely ill, Your Honor.

 
 By: amanico : November 6th, 2011-10:28
That Panerai case is not that good to plead. Best, Nicolas.

LOL :-)

 
 By: aboen : November 6th, 2011-11:32
It would be interesting to see what Panerai has to say though.

That. ;)

 
 By: amanico : November 6th, 2011-11:42

Surely Counselor you can come up with a better defence!

 
 By: ocwatching : November 6th, 2011-14:13
Come on Nico! LOL!

Lights shorted at the Panerai factory the evening the 318 were assembled ...

 
 By: Marcus Hanke : November 7th, 2011-01:35
... the watchmakers did their best working completely blind, but somehow the crate with the movements used as toys for the 6-10 yrs aged junior watchmakers to practice went into the way, and through the rubber finger protectors, the watchmakers could not ... 

Mamma mia. :)))

 
 By: amanico : November 7th, 2011-11:46

Nice work Bruno!

 
 By: ocwatching : November 6th, 2011-14:19
and those macros are really an eye opener!

Thanks for posting, Bruno.

 
 By: Davo : November 6th, 2011-14:23
Looking forward to hearing what kind of response Panerai has to this.

POy, I told you... Don't get me starting...

 
 By: amanico : November 6th, 2011-23:57
Ok, since you insist... Bold and ugly stories are popular: Gepetto! Best, Nicolas...  

not that far... (RMLOL)

 
 By: PoyFR : November 7th, 2011-00:03
There are plenty watches around.... This message has been edited by PoyFR on 2011-11-07 00:07:37...  

No excuses OOR.... :)))

 
 By: amanico : November 7th, 2011-00:13
Best, Nicolas...  

Mischief

 
 By: PoyFR : November 7th, 2011-00:25
Nico, seems that our drawing are similar... LOL Regalame ;-)...  

A close up on the stock options...

 
 By: amanico : November 7th, 2011-00:30
Hmmmmm! Nicolas This message has been edited by amanico on 2011-11-07 00:32:00...  

A coin ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : November 7th, 2011-00:33
made out of platinum. Cool!

It is not platinum it is bronze marine.

 
 By: amanico : November 7th, 2011-00:43
Cheaper to produce, but brings more money than platinum... As for authenticity, ask one of the Chiefs. Best, Nicolas.

Mind you, in seeing them together...

 
 By: amanico : November 7th, 2011-00:47
There cannot be any surprise of what is inside... But for sure, one of them suppplied it! The privileged Firenze Clan. They have more drawers than I have pockets.... Best, Nicolas This message has been edited by amanico on 2011-11-07 00:48:45...  

O H, M Y G O D !

 
 By: PoyFR : November 7th, 2011-00:50
O H, M Y G O D ! The sad thing about all this is that it proves me that I took the right decision, sore at times but 100% convinced.

LMAO!

 
 By: ocwatching : November 7th, 2011-11:40
Gotta love the French!

What great detective work.

 
 By: grigo : November 7th, 2011-02:37
I wonder whether Panerai will own up to this one day. All in all a sad story from my perspective. Best regards, George

Big problem for Panerai and Richemont

 
 By: 1watch : November 7th, 2011-19:25
see my comment in the earlier post below.

An amusing post!

 
 By: patrick_y : November 7th, 2011-22:56
Although the topic of your post is a very sad topic that has gotten many individuals riled up about the Panerai 318, I really enjoyed your post for your thoughts and for your opinions. Thank you for your humorous opinions and I agree; with only 150 pieces... 

"Nooooooo, please tell me they wouldn't dare and this bridge on the back is coincidence"

 
 By: dr.limms : November 12th, 2011-21:08
"Nooooooo, please tell me they wouldn't dare and this bridge on the back is coincidence LOL" Well, before they started making in-house movement, they have to make an in-house joke. Now I finally get the meaning why they used this movement in the 318!