I don't want to spoil anyone's fun... 🙏

Mar 31, 2022,21:38 PM
 

And I'm not sure if I'm allowed to quote "perezcope.com" here, if not please, dear Mods, just delete my post.

The quotes are from two articles that appeared eight months and four days ago.

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„A good example from recent history would be the OP XXXIV which powered a number of Luminor Due and Submersible models. The OP XXXIV was made by Manufacture Horlogère ValFleurier, Richemont’s very own movement manufacturer. Richemont is a luxury group that owns Panerai and several other watch brands such as Cartier, Jaeger LeCoultre, Vacheron Constantin, IWC, etc.
It is said, Manufacture Horlogère ValFleurier, together with a bunch of Richemont experts, developed the aforementioned caliber for Richemont’s entry-level brand Baume & Mercier where it was marketed as Baumatic BM12-1975A. The interesting thing about its variant OP XXXIV is that Panerai dropped the name just recently. Today, and this is important, the very same movement goes by the name of P.900 and is showcased in Panerai’s in-house movement section.“

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And (4 days ago) - I quote this text from perezcope referring to Chronometers expressed disappointment here.

„Prices for Panerai watches keep going up but the quality seems to diminish with every new release. Laughable water resistance, fake screw-down casebacks (pressure-fit with dodecagonal shape), spring bars, ETA movements passed as “in-house”, opaque “display” casebacks to save precious material and now closed casebacks to hide completely undecorated calibers. These are not necessary cuts to secure the survival of a struggling company but rather tweaks to make even greater profits at the expense of their customers. Keep in mind, the average production cost for non-precious metal Panerai watches, including material and movement, is around USD 350. That is right, three five zero! The profits Richemont is making off all of their watch brands is exorbitant and yet, they keep squeezing the lemon. Cutting costs is one thing but trying to fool people and keeping substantial downgrades secret is another. Never mind the fact that historically, Panerai is not even a real watch brand but just a made-up Richemont hoax producing replicas of old Rolex Oyster watches. Panerai’s dishonesty and willingness to deceive their customers is staggering. Something is rotten in the canton of Neuchâtel.“

I'm still attracted to Panerai and we have not to agree with everything written in these articles, but this is at least food for thought for me…

All the best
Thomas


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Panerai was there too...

 
 By: India Whiskey Charlie : March 31st, 2022-01:54
... presenting its new 44 mm Submersibles in eSteel. The New Panerai Submersible QuarantaQuattro eSteel Models: Panerai Caliber P.900, 171 components, operates at 28,800vph, has 23 jewels, and comes with a 3-day power reserve. ...  

Is it made of eSteel?...

 
 By: mdg : March 31st, 2022-02:01
...kind of hard to tell : )

Ouf!

 
 By: grigo : March 31st, 2022-15:26

How could I have missed that 🤣

 
 By: grigo : March 31st, 2022-17:14
I agree with your point of view and at the least not on the dial. Result, not a watch I will be buying.

I was wondering why no one had commented about the PAM releases.

 
 By: ArmisT : March 31st, 2022-03:58
I believe there are additional submersibles that are not esteel new on their site. They’re 44mm.

Here they are...😉

 
 By: India Whiskey Charlie : March 31st, 2022-13:37
...  

Nice! 👏🏼

 
 By: ArmisT : March 31st, 2022-16:25
Now the question is what do you think of these offerings? I admit, the white dial interests me, but I waiver back and forth since haven’t seen it in the metal.

They've got to stop putting superlative text on the dial...

 
 By: patrick_y : March 31st, 2022-07:07
The dial doesn't need to say "eSteel" on it. It dates the watch and cheapens it.

I attended the press conference via Zoom.

 
 By: patrick_y : March 31st, 2022-07:12
Apparently it has something to do with recycled material content. All Panerai eSteel watch cases have to have at least 52% by weight of recycled metals for the metal case. The range will be anywhere from 52% to 60%. It will also vary among models and year... 

De Rien!

 
 By: patrick_y : March 31st, 2022-07:47

;)

 
 By: amanico : March 31st, 2022-08:05

I don't want to spoil anyone's fun... 🙏

 
 By: MTR : March 31st, 2022-21:38
And I'm not sure if I'm allowed to quote "" here, if not please, dear Mods, just delete my post. The quotes are from two articles that appeared eight months and four days ago. 1. „A good example from recent history would be the OP XXXIV which powered a nu... 

Well, Perezcope's claims need to be substantiated if they haven't been already

 
 By: India Whiskey Charlie : March 31st, 2022-22:27
1- According to Panerai, P.900 is a renamed and improved OP XXXIV. It has a diameter of 30 mm, 25 jewels, 72 hours PR and a frequency of 28,800. The BM12-1975A is 28.2 mm, has 21 jewels, 120 hours PR and a frequency of 28,800. So, even if these two moveme... 

Dear IWC, thank you

 
 By: MTR : April 1st, 2022-23:39
for your comprehensive and very insightful reply. Hmmmmmm… I believe that there are some interesting articles and reviews by Perezcope, where he also gives evidence of his claims from my point of view. That Perezcope might have a bone to pick with Panerai... 

I read his article also.

 
 By: smatt99 : April 2nd, 2022-02:14
I haven't posted in awhile. I am just so disappointed in Panerai. First they remove the hacking mechanism from the 9010 movement without telling anyone. Then come to find out they are putting undecorated movements in there watches. Perezcope also shows th... 

I'm careful with perezcope, as good information is mixed with tabloid "shocking revelations" that are anything but...

 
 By: destrodan : April 2nd, 2022-05:45
...such as: "Keep in mind, the average production cost for non-precious metal Panerai watches, including material and movement, is around USD 350. That is right, three five zero!" Anyone who knows anything about the luxury watch market understands this st... 

Thanks for your reply, Destrodan,

 
 By: MTR : April 2nd, 2022-07:28
you made some valid points here. I'm not a fan of „brand bashing“, but I find the "steps backwards" that have been made very secretly remarkable. Suddenly, since 2020, the 9010 movement with the same name (!) no longer has any hacking seconds (seconds res... 

I will not edit the posts.

 
 By: sergio : April 2nd, 2022-10:42
I will simply ask to...stop here...with discussions that do not concern the original "showcase" post You are more than welcome to open..yet another..brand new 3d dedicated to the chagrin that the Panerai's present policies cause in all of us. So, let's ex... 

You're absolutely right and that's totally fair, Sergio.

 
 By: MTR : April 2nd, 2022-11:17
Regarding the presented models: I like them not enough to buy them. 😉 The Submersibles that still appeal to me the most and I would like to own are the 47mm Bronzo 382 or even the Bronzo 507 (here not even the power reserve indicator on the dial bothers m... 

I like these

 
 By: gregcarraram3 : April 2nd, 2022-21:44
I had the mike horn pole to pole…loved it but too darn heavy even in titanium…these could be just right! Look awesome!