Panerai SIHH 2011: The return of some legends?

Jun 13, 2019,03:10 AM
 

This year, Panerai is very productive, to say the least, as they come with a lot of new limited editions, and a bomb, the long awaited " Fiddy Base ", the Pam 372, WHICH IS NOT A LIMITED EDITION.

The brand from Firenze started to massively use the Cal 3000.

So, what do we have to think about this " Mare " of novelties?

Are they to be considered like novelties?

Let's try to find some answers, among the 3 lines introduced this year, the Submersible, the Radiomir and the Luminor.

1/ The Submersible ( 47 mm case / 300 meters Water Resistant / crystal glass )

2 watches are highlighted, here, the Regatta ( Pam 371 ), and the Bronze ( Pam 382 ), both of them belonging to the Limited Edition Category.

- The Regatta:

Compared to a Pam 305, this is basically the same watch, the only difference being a blue dial, and a GMT function on 12 hours, if I got it well ( ??? ).

The P 9001 has an autonomy of 3 days, which displays a power reserve indicator on the back of the watch.




- The Submersible Bronze.

This is basically a Pam 305, with a Bronze case and a deep dark green dial.

The Bronze case is not a novelty for Panerai, as, in the past, there was a proto made in bronze,called SLOB, which was developped in a Luminor case.

We also have to remember that some other brands made a bronze watch, as, for example, Gerald Genta, with the famous Gefica.

It houses the same calibre than the Pam 305, the P 9000, an automatic movement with 3 days power reserve.




The see through case back has an internal ring in brushed titanium:



More than true novelties, I'd say that these 2 watches introduce some new developments ( the GMT on the Regatta- without forgetting that the GMT was first introduced in the Submersible Line with the ARKTOS GMT- , the bronze case on the Submersible Bronze ).

2/ The Radiomir line: ( 47 mm case / plexy glass / water resistant to 100 meters )

Here, 3 models are introduced this year.

- A California, but in white gold, a brown dial, and housing a P 3000 ( 3 days power reserve ) Ref Pam 376.

This latest California is definitely not a novelty, as this is the 5th ( !!! ) made, if we include the Vintage 3646: 3646, Pam 249, Pam 262, Pam 349, and this one, the Pam 376.

The use of the white gold, the fact that the blue hands we had on the former Cali have gone, and the Cal P 3000 ( instead of the ETA ) are not enough to allow us to say that it is a new watch.

Nice, but not a novelty.



The Pam 379 is looking like a Pam 232, but with a rose gold case, housing the P 3000.

A nice brown dial, big wording, a nice evolution of the Pam 232, enhancing its vintage " personality ", even if Rose Gold is a weird allusion for an historical watch.

Yes, aesthetically nice, historically weird, if I had to sum it.






- The TRUE novelty among the Radiomir Panerai introduced this year is the Pam 373, a pretty nice and faithful evocation of the " Loch Ness " monster 2533.

The 2533 is the mother of all Panerai watches, as it announced, as a proto it was, the time keepers to come, around 1935 or 1936, I don't remember well.

Credit picture: Auto Montanari, I think.


God knows how many were made, one, or a few more?

This is why I call it the Loch Ness Monster: Often heard about it, rarely seen.

Back to the Pam 373, now.

You have to know that is is a Limited Edition in platinum.

Good or bad choice, we may have a lobg discussion about the metal.

I'd say that as it is an important watch for the Panerai History and Fans, I would have preferred to see it released in stainless steel.

One thing is sure, I would much have preferred to see the sectored blue hands on the 373.

The dial is to die for: the Epitome of Elegance and purity, as well as the Radiomir case.

Here are the pictures:






One last word about these Historical Radiomirs:

As they are strongly linked to the history of the brand, and as the 3646 housed a Rollex Cortebert movement, the main thing I regret on these modern Tributes is that their movement, the P 3000, is not designed as a Rolex Cortebert ( as it was the case with the former ETA ), but as an Angelus.

3/ The Luminor line:

Here, 3 watches are really important: The Pam 375, the Pam 368, and the big winner, this year, in my opinion, the 372.

All have a 47 mm case, and all share a water resistance of 100 meters.

Let's see them in the detail.

- The Pam 368.

It is, basically, a Pam 217, a left handed Luminor, but with an 8 days power reserve movement, the Cal P 2002 / 9, replacing the good old ETA.

Same sandwich dial ( but brown ) and green white indexes than on the 217, and a nice domed sapphire glass:


You will notice one very interesting detail on the following picture.

Panerai finally put the lever of the crownguard at the good place.

While the lever went from down to up when you opened it ( like on the Pam 127 / 217 ), it goes now from up to down, as it should be:


Another interesting detail is the location of the 8 Days power reserve indicator... On the case back, not on the dial, which will avoid to ruin such a nice dial, and, in this watch, the use of the Cal P 2002 / 9, which has an " air de famille " with the Angelus movement housed in the Vintage Lumnior 8 Days, is very à propos.

Not a new watch, but an aesthetical and mechanical evolution of the Pam 217, to me.

- The Pam 375.

Here again, an evolution rather than a revolution, as this reference is a black brown composite " Fiddy " Pam 127, housing a P 3000 movement, receiving " Vintage " tainted indexes and a brown dial.

As for the Pam 368, they put the lever of the crownguard at the good place.

A curious detail is that Panerai kept the " 1950 " writing on the dial, when a lot of people was complaining about it.

It would have been much nicer without, in my opinion.

A view on the domed sapphire and on the sandwich dial:



The case back:



The whole Pam 375, now:



Maybe a bit too trendy for me, but aesthetically appealing.

And, last but not least, the TRUE winner for me, this year, the Pam 372.

The Pam 372 is a nice evocation of the Vintage 6152/ 1.


A superb profile of the case and lugs:




A somptuous sandwich dial, with tainted luminova indexes, and the big thick magic writing ( engraved ? ) " LUMINOR PANERAI ", and the sexy " 3/6/9/12 ".


Without the bloody " 1950 " on the dial!

The cons on this watch are:

Too short hands, but it may change, as we already saw Panerai improving this kind of details in the past.

The P 3000, which is aesthetically closer to the Angelus than to the ETA, once again.

I would have preferred a solid case back on this watch, but it is just my personal take.

The big pro is that Panerai decided to not make a LE of this watch, for the biggest pleasure of the afficionados of the florentian brand.

The price, 6900 Euros, is something which made me smile, as it was EXACTLY the retail of the Pam 127 some ... 9 years ago!

Here are my pictures:



Yes, this may well be MY next Panerai, this year, if I am able to get one.

4/ Some thoughts on the 2011 collection:

When I saw this collection, I wondered if the evolutions would be a problem for the watches they took their inspiration from:

For example, we can wonder if the Pam 368 will not affect the value of the Pam 217, or the 375 the value of the 127.

In fact, I don't care ...

Same for the 372, which, because it is not a LE, may well escape from the flippers.

Anyway, as you could see, I think that there were more evolutions than revolutions, this year, but nicely done, and sticking to Panerai's History.

2 exceptions, 2 true novelties, 2 winners, in my opinion: The 372, and the 373, 2 long awaited watches from the fans.

One more effort, please, pretty please: The 6154 small Egiziano, and I am a dumb when it comes to numbers, a SS version of the Pam 373, and it will be perfect!

Looking forward to hearing your comments,

Best.

Nicolas.

PS: A very big Thank you to Emanuela, for her warm welcome, as always.



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thanks, I must admit many of my dreams are there. Cheers

 
 By: chronomtr : February 16th, 2011-07:07
Don't know how many can come true without close contact with OP sale or senior management. This message has been edited by chronomtr on 2011-02-16 07:08:17

Well, the 372 won't be too hard to get. As for the others, I don't know.

 
 By: amanico : February 17th, 2011-04:24
I feel the 373 will be quite hot, depending on the decision from Panerai to release, or not, this model in SS... Best, Nicolas.

as always, a thorough report full of insights and observations......

 
 By: playtime : February 16th, 2011-07:19
I am happy that PAM decided upon the 372..... but love the 373 above all--like you said, a dial that is the epitome of elegance and simplicity. Well suited for the Radiomir case. I'd love to see it in steel one day--but I do like the use of Platinum--perh... 

Well, I think I will get the 372.

 
 By: amanico : February 17th, 2011-04:26
It all depend on how I'm living the fact that I don't have any Panerai in my collection, currently. Do I want to get one? If yes, the 372 will be my natural choice, and the 373 in SS, if it ever comes, will be my 2d and last one. Best, Nicolas.

Thanks Nicolas

 
 By: Tony A.H : February 16th, 2011-07:20
GREAT Report and Awesome Pictures. there're Several Models that i'm in LOVE with. unfortunately we can't have'em All. but would be Very Happy to Own One of them . :0))) Cheers Tony

Tough decision, eeh? :) [nt]

 
 By: amanico : February 17th, 2011-04:27
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Always looking forward to your annual review of the SIHH..

 
 By: ocwatching : February 16th, 2011-08:13
I agree wholeheartedly with your assessments of the on the 372 and 373. The 372 will, hopefully, lead to new variations and direction for the brand. Should the 3000 pieces be the only pieces, the watch will be in effect a 292J/190 status. Just beautiful a... 

It is easy to find one you fall in love with, this year.

 
 By: amanico : February 17th, 2011-04:34
It is less easy to choose one from all of them. But that's much better than having no dreams, don't you think? 372, for me, then 373, but in SS, so I will wait, and if it doesn't come, the 372 may be my only one Panerai in my collection. What is great is ... 

great pics and synopsis

 
 By: d-star : February 16th, 2011-11:35
thanks. i'm hoping they'll start rolling out sooner than later.

Thanks Nic, my thoughts..

 
 By: Miranda : February 16th, 2011-13:28
I loved truely the 372...I have already begged my AD for one. This is a superb piece for 2011. But vey closely followed by Bronzo! what a watch...phoarrrrrrr!!!! again on my hand and knees to my AD for this. then, I asked for the 375....as I never was abl... 

The " Bronzo " has to be tried, indeed.

 
 By: amanico : February 17th, 2011-04:43
But I'm a sentimental, and I never forgot the Pam 64, much easier to wear with its 44 mm case, instead of the enormous Bronzo 47 mm case. Somewhat, the 372 is easier to wear, even if the case has the same dimension. And the 47 mm even easier than the Lumi... 

Nicely done, Nico.

 
 By: Davo : February 16th, 2011-14:23
Great post! And I agree with you about OP producing the 373 in SS. I'd pick that up in a heartbeat! But with blue hands? ... nah, I'll take'em just as they are thanks.

Well, the blue hands are historically correct, Davo, on the 2533. We'll see; [nt]

 
 By: amanico : February 17th, 2011-04:44
No message body This message has been edited by amanico on 2011-02-17 04:45:02

Thank you for the excellent report Nicolas...

 
 By: i_am_Sam : February 16th, 2011-19:50
Panerai shines at this year's SIHH.. Lots of great new releases and great improvements on the existing models.. First, I would like to comment on the new P3000 movement.. It's another great achievement by Panerai, to finally make their own replacement for... 

Like you; Sam, I would have much preferred seeing solid case backs

 
 By: amanico : February 17th, 2011-07:25
On these historical pieces. My guess is that Panerai wants to show their " new " movement, the Cal P 3000( wasn't it introduced last year, by the way? ). But if you look at the Pam 127, it was also the solution used by Panerai ( see through case back ). I... 

Thanks for "noticing"....

 
 By: sirjo : February 16th, 2011-19:52
the 373. I understand that the 372 is the object of everyone's desire (for some reasons, not mine) but I do believe the Star of the show, this year is the 373. Every other model has been seen already in one permutation or another, and qualifies it as a...... 

Ma Che OOOH! :)

 
 By: amanico : February 17th, 2011-08:28
Tend to agree on some of the developments included in my post, Sergio. More evolutions than revolutions. 2 exceptions, the 373 and the 372, though. Thanks for your interesting input, my friend. Don't forget my wife is Italian and that I can understand it,... 

an Italian wife....?

 
 By: sirjo : February 20th, 2011-22:52
luckily there were no "Z" in my post...hahaha I'll remember this "detail" for future correspondence....hahahaha Ciao - Sergio

My pleasure, my friend. Thanks a lot. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : February 17th, 2011-12:49
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The 372 is the standout classic...

 
 By: patrick_y : February 16th, 2011-22:06
I truly believe the 372 will become a classic Panerai that will be an accessible piece that will closely resemble the most classic Panerais made (like the 127 and the 203). However, the 382 strikes me as a watch that is radically different and something t... 

I rate it even above the 127!

 
 By: amanico : February 17th, 2011-12:51
As for the 382, I believe it is a watch to see again and again, I have some doubts, but nothing definitive. Best, and thanks for your input, Patrick. Nicolas.

about the 372 and the 3000 pce

 
 By: Bruno.M1 : February 16th, 2011-23:32
If not limited Nicolas, how long will it take before all the 3000 will be delivered ? 3 years ? Every time Panerai shows us a new model with a new movement they can't make many of them in a short period. - The 341, Already 2 years old - ONLY 500 pce and s... 

Yes, maybe / certainly 2 years, but is this THAT important to you that the 372 is a LE? [nt]

 
 By: amanico : February 16th, 2011-23:48
Is that the most important thing, to your eyes? Don't you rather think that the 372 is interesting as a watch, and that LE or not, well, it doesn't really matter? Is the fact that the 372 is 3000 pieces in two or 3 years adds some spice to the watch? Does... 

The question is : Can you call 3000 pce limited anyway ? LOL

 
 By: Bruno.M1 : February 17th, 2011-00:23
Not that important I ordered it and I will buy it, no matter how many they make But like said before; if the 232, 249, 127, 217, were LE I think the 372 should be a LE too. If they make 3000 of them it won't be that hard to get. Do you know somebody who a... 

LOL, Hell NO! THat is why 3000 or 10 000, to me it is the same.

 
 By: amanico : February 17th, 2011-13:02
Pam and Beauty for everybody. That is my program. Best, Nicolas.

Thanks Nicolas, always enjoy the facts & feelings in your report!

 
 By: swjoseph : February 17th, 2011-00:35
372 is also my favorite and I'm excited by its 3,000pcs non-LE announcement. Whether it will take them many years to deliver is not important to me, but the 3,000pcs non-LE approach means that I have a much higher hope to get one even I know I'm not conne... 

Same for me.

 
 By: amanico : February 17th, 2011-13:05
And I'm happy to see many " old school guys " getting one, like in the good old days. Best, Nicolas.

Great report and YES, you will get one :)

 
 By: Pilkington : February 17th, 2011-03:31
Dont understand the fear of not getting one, its a 47mm manual wind with plexi (plastic for non wis) at about $10.000... non LE with a minimum of 3000 pcs, everyone who wants one will get one and if you have a little patience you will get one on the secon... 

You don't understand which is not a fear, but a doubt.

 
 By: amanico : February 17th, 2011-13:11
Till the 18th of January, I had 2 Pre V and the Cali. When I saw the 372 at the SIHH, on the 17th of January, I was sure I had to get it, as my 4th Panerai. Now that I lost my 3 Pannies, do I have the courage to start it again? That is my problem, my big ... 

I am so sorry to read this..

 
 By: ocwatching : February 18th, 2011-08:51
That's the thing with thefts...the emotional loss... Time to start anew?

SUPERB write up amigo.

 
 By: nacho m : February 17th, 2011-04:26
Really enjoyed the reading. Maybe the best sum if seen so far. Excelent pics of course!!! Thanks for taking the time!!!

Muchisimas gracias, Nacho. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : February 17th, 2011-13:11
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Will they do a 373 in SS with blue hands..??

 
 By: Andy : February 17th, 2011-08:06
Now I think I would get that if they did Great report Nico, Yours, Andy.

That is my hope! What a beauty it would be. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : February 17th, 2011-13:12
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That's one hell of a post!

 
 By: Martin Wilmsen : February 18th, 2011-07:18
Great post! Very nice photos and write up. I disagree with some of your opinions re the new models but I really enjoyed this post nonetheless. Cheers, Martin

Hopefully, we don't have to always agree. It would be boresome.

 
 By: amanico : February 18th, 2011-13:45
But I think we agree if we say that this is a great year for Panerai, and the old school boys. That is Panerai like I love it. Best, and thanks for your kind comments, my friend. Nicolas.

I agree, with you ofcourse

 
 By: torromoto : February 18th, 2011-14:46
and I disagree with Martin, for not being able to just compliment you on this thorough analyses...Well done amigo.. Best guillermo

Hola, Guillermo.

 
 By: amanico : February 18th, 2011-14:50
The old school guy is speaking, eeh? So, are you going on one of these, or are you considering ( I see that you made some room, recently ) a Vintage one??? All the best, my friend, and gracias! Nicolas.

What did you see? haha

 
 By: torromoto : February 19th, 2011-06:18
Obviously the 372 is a must have. I am still puzzled about the fact it being a regular production. I wouldn't be surprised is something would change along that line. Keeping it regular will keep the costs lower. No Big box, etc etc. Not that all this extr... 

Always a pleasure to read your thoughts, Guillermo.

 
 By: amanico : February 19th, 2011-08:39
To me, the 372 is the clear winner, and yes, if the 373 doesn't come in SS, I don't see the necessity to go on another one. I totally subscribe to your thoughts on the 372 and to the advantages to not make it in LE, especially the reduction costs, which i... 

Of course we don't !

 
 By: Martin Wilmsen : February 19th, 2011-14:05
Hey I didn't mean to offend you by having a different view than you do on some of the models. We absolutely share many opinions too. Great year for Panerai Not sure what Guillermo wants to achieve with his remark but anyway, I'll repeat that it was a grea... 

You don't? I was trying to let you know

 
 By: torromoto : February 20th, 2011-06:02
in a polite way that I for one find it very annoying that you have to disagree on such an OBJECTIVE and well argumented post without saying why. Disagreeing with a post like this one makes you look rather silly, especially when you just disagree to disagr... 

Ah I see...

 
 By: Martin Wilmsen : February 20th, 2011-10:53
Thanks for being so polite, that's highly appreciated. And you're right that I didn't say what I was disagreeing with. So I'll do so now. First, I don't see why Rose Gold is a weird allusion for a historical watch if you take into account that the Pam 21 ... 

Martin , this is so true. Each got its own likes and dislike

 
 By: John HS : February 20th, 2011-16:32
We cant be seen liking everything . It would be so strange. Pls continue to voice your opinions and not refrain. Regards John

Again.....He didn't give us an opinion

 
 By: torromoto : February 20th, 2011-17:55
in the first place so how can you agree with him? You agree that he is able to disagree and you are right but only if he lets us know what he is disagreeing on in the first place.....So thanks to me now you what he is disagreeing about and therefore now a... 

Hi Nicolas, thanks for your perspectives on the SIHH 2011 pieces.

 
 By: colantotte : February 18th, 2011-09:50
Impressive pictures and interesting write-ups for an enjoyable read, I must say. So far, the various reports on OP's SIHH releases have been interesting on the new models, movement and materials. It looks like OP is charging ahead with lots of ideas and c... 

We do share the same wishes, Ken ...

 
 By: amanico : February 18th, 2011-13:48
They amazed me, this year ... Really. As for the hands of the 372, I'm confident Panerai will make them a bit longer, as they are really too short, but we already lived the same with the 232, if I remember correctly, and Panerai corrected them. So, I'm co... 

Although the 372 will not be a Special Edition,

 
 By: colantotte : February 21st, 2011-02:53
I hope OP will provide the extra Plexiglass as what they did for the previous plexiglass models. Still, kudos to OP for the wonderful news and decision for it to be a regular model. Just my 2cents. Cheers,

Thanks Nicolas for your excellent report............

 
 By: Topcat30093 : February 24th, 2011-18:35
I have only recently started to visit the Panerai forum and your report has helped me to start and understand about the different models & their numbers. Though it may take me a while to get the hang of the many different models

Thanks for your kind comment, Topcat.

 
 By: amanico : February 24th, 2011-22:36
The good thing with this 2011 collection is that it helps to better understand what is Panerai, its History and roots. Best, Nicolas.

Go for the 372 Nicolas !...

 
 By: Cpt Scarlet : June 13th, 2019-14:51
It’s a good looking Panerai and who cares how many they make. As we know they can always issue a “Limited Edition” and then do it all over again !. Just change the strap for a good custom one. Good review by the way.

Nice to read this again! Gave me that time capsule feeling..

 
 By: Echi : June 13th, 2019-19:40
Truth be told though, I was not as into it back then because of another competing hobby. It was that year that I decided to junk my DSLR system and do a cold turkey switch to an M9. So I was reading a lot on digital Ms back then with another window open t... 

372... since 2011...

 
 By: Fjan : November 24th, 2019-23:55
8 years .. looks as good today as day one.. one of my all time favourite! Thank you Nico for bringing back some good old memories! 🍻 James ...