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Since I have nothing really positive to say about this YouTuber or her thoughts on JLC, I will refrain from making any disparaging remarks 😁😉🤣
Mar 04, 2021,11:31 AM
I think my adoration for JLC speaks for itself in the pieces I choose to own. We all know their competence if given the chance. La Grande Maison is a sleeping giant that has sadly been put to sleep by Richemont BUT their greatness is still there, waiting for someone to unleash it. Hopefully, we all see this happen in the near future 👍
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Critical review on the JLC brand and product
By: eklektik : February 27th, 2021-15:00
Hello all, Just watched this video. Maybe it has been discussed here in the past as it is 10 months old but here it is if not. I find it a bit harsh but rather true. I am a big JLC fan, and I like the brand for its technical aspect and its classic looks. ...
She has a few good points...
By: mdg : February 27th, 2021-15:13
...about having more 'signature' watches in the lineup...but those don't grow on trees. Overall, 12 minutes I'll never get back.
Yes. I want my 12 minutes back too. What rubbish.
By: patrick_y : February 27th, 2021-16:09
And frankly, "signature piece" means different things to different people. For me, JLC's "Reverso" has been their signature piece since I was ten years old. But if you ask the employees at JLC, they'll say I'm crazy, the Reverso is a slow seller, since mo...
Totally disagree..
By: myles721 : February 27th, 2021-15:20
JLC’s problems are quality control plain and simple...WAY to many finishing / movement issues.
+1
By: Reuven Malter : February 27th, 2021-15:21
Completely agree on QC issues
By: chikai168 : February 28th, 2021-04:11
I have had an AMVOX 2 in for service since September. Came back first in November and the chronograph and watch stops when the minute count reaches 11; plus the date wheel does not always engage when the crown is pulled to position 1. Fair enough, mistake...
That is a shame
By: chikai168 : February 28th, 2021-06:32
The Duoface is a lovely watch..... it seems strange to me how they can’t seem to fix and repair their own watches at times.
I completely agree, I normally ignore her, but I only watched her because Eklektic mentioned his agreement with her. Which inspired me to watch her.
By: patrick_y : February 27th, 2021-16:11
Otherwise, I find her videos to be almost always heavily biased, shallow, and pointless. This one did not disappoint, it was indeed heavily biased, shallow, and pointless. Furthermore, she didn't back up her opinions/arguments with facts. It's just her op...
Good point.
By: patrick_y : February 28th, 2021-02:09
We have statistical bias. Her group of friends whom she talks to about JLC may be unfamiliar of the age when JLC had a bigger role in the industry. Hence why she assumes many people think about JLC in a specific light.
Totally agree Reuven
By: Weems@8 : February 28th, 2021-04:05
You totally right. That stupid goose can not taken seriously. If someone have a problem with a JLC watch, contact your AD.
I am not in agreement with her assessment
By: mhz vph : February 27th, 2021-15:35
I saw this video near the time of its release. I watched it again now and still disagree with her conclusion. It is true that JLC relies heavily on the reverso, and that the brand is past its prime. But in truth, all the great maisons are past their prime...
Actually, I disagree with that too...
By: patrick_y : February 27th, 2021-16:15
JLC internally, does not rely heavily on Reverso. Some JLC boutiques will dedicate a significant percentage of showcase space to Reverso, but the top SKU sellers are the automatic Master Ultra Thin with Date and the automatic Master Ultra Thin with Moonph...
TIL...
By: mhz vph : February 27th, 2021-19:58
Today I learned something about JLC sales figures. Thanks for the insight!
You’re most welcome!
By: patrick_y : February 28th, 2021-02:20
JLC doesn’t publish round watch vs shaped watch reports in any financial reports. The Richemont annual report doesn’t give that kind of detail. But if you speak to JLC boutique managers, and JLC executives at SIHH, the most popular SKUs in many major mark...
+1
By: Cookies : February 28th, 2021-02:27
If you want to skip the 12 minutes her main points are;
By: oyster case : February 27th, 2021-15:40
1 "People always associate JLC with other brands or the calibres they make for other brands" 2 "JLC has failed to establish itself as a manufacturer of original watches" The lack of individual identity and being defined by analogies to other brands and th...
And JLC is not Patek quality at the price of Rolex...
By: patrick_y : February 27th, 2021-16:27
The movement architecture is not quite as good as Patek, the finishing is definitely not nearly as good, and the price isn't really equivalent to Rolex. The reason why JLC is not successful is because it lacks a key quality... In traditional business, a c...
Men love women with masculine pursuits...
By: patrick_y : February 27th, 2021-16:48
This is one of the reasons why Jenni Elle has been so successful. Men simply love women who drink whiskey, smoke cigars, drive sports cars, and like watches; because those kinds of women are unusual. Jenni Elle is a newcomer to a game where she doesn't kn...
You bring up a very good point Als1678!
By: patrick_y : February 28th, 2021-12:33
You're right. You bring up a very good point. I always try to behave like I would in person, at a cocktail party. If I were at a cocktail party, I would vehemently try to correct inaccurate depictions of the watch industry by watch journalists and vlogger...
Thank you for taking the time to write a detailed response.
By: als1678 : February 28th, 2021-15:03
I don't disagree with anything you say ... Yes, Jenni Ellie speaks as if she has knowledge and authority, and she doesn't. At least she doesn't present herself as a journalist, but that doesn't answer your criticism anyway. I completely understand why she...
Why thank you Als1678 for your kind words!
By: patrick_y : February 28th, 2021-20:57
I'm going to guess that you work, have a busy life, and don't have time to waste. You're probably even busier than me. I would probably suggest that Jenni Elle be not on your radar. But I do like "" and Tim Mosso's Watch Talk shows. Some of the Revolution...
+1 I think her 'problems' with JLC are completely off base
By: logan2z : February 27th, 2021-18:10
As someone said above, if JLC has a problem at all it seems to be in the QC department. Way too many stories of watches with issues straight out of the box. Oh, and that Master Ultrathin is absolutely gorgeous and screams JLC in every way. I don't think t...
I'd never heard of her until today...
By: mdg : February 27th, 2021-22:35
...but she sorely needs an editor. It took her 12 minutes (a lifetime in social media) to summarize what could have been done in 4 minutes and a few bullet points. How many close-up shots of a poorly-finished minute hand do I need to see?
I can’t disagree with that! She does need an editor.
By: patrick_y : February 28th, 2021-01:51
I need an editor too! I’m not word efficient. I remember in forensics class I was sharply criticized for word inefficiency. Her other problem is that she identifies problems that seem relatively minor and she doesn’t convince me that they’re “serious” pro...
It can be very disappointing indeed...
By: patrick_y : March 2nd, 2021-09:14
You're absolutely right! I too am saddened to see some of my favorite pieces disappearing from the menu. The fact that the Master Ultra Thin line is no longer in existence is very sad for me! The fact that it didn't all of a sudden generate a lot of buzz ...
That's so very true!
By: patrick_y : March 2nd, 2021-22:26
People will always be proud to own the best, and brag about it.
Expanding on what Formula 1 fans want to hear...
By: patrick_y : March 3rd, 2021-10:50
F1 fans want to hear the drivers talk about their triumphs over other drivers. They expect animated stories where the driver gives hand motions and pretends to be controlling the steering wheel. Like children, these F1 fans want to hear the drivers make t...
I like your comparison to the car world
By: eklektik : March 3rd, 2021-15:26
There was recently an interesting article about the Aston Martin's CEO's ambitions for the brand: Could we say that JLC is to watchmaking what Aston Martin is to luxury car industry? Ambitious, respected, but never at the very top despite tryng for years...
JLC isn't aiming for the top, JLC is happy being in the "middle tier"
By: patrick_y : March 3rd, 2021-16:28
That might be a good analogy. But I don't see JLC aiming that high, at least not yet. JLC isn't about being in the top tier all the time, they're very happy being in the middle tier and to be making unusual complications. JLC isn't about fine finishing no...
I completely agree with you here Als1678!
By: patrick_y : February 28th, 2021-01:42
I don’t know if Jenni Elle represents a large percentage of the millennial populations’ thoughts about JLC. But she seems to be confident that many people share her own thoughts. I also personally agree with you that not all of the new products are very e...
Ah... youtube watch bloggers
By: benlee338 : March 4th, 2021-08:17
Other than a few good ones, most are self-promoted "experts" that don't have much substances in the opinions they offer. I do watch some of her videos primary because her videography is quite good and I love watching nice videos of watches. As for her opi...
I didn't watch the whole video, 30 seconds of fast forward😎
By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : February 28th, 2021-01:05
But I've read your posts. I guess and agree that part of her success is because horology is basically a men's world. It's extremely rare (no commercial purpose intended 😜) to discuss with a knowledgeable woman, but unfortunately she's not Carole Forestier...
I agree
By: eklektik : March 1st, 2021-03:40
I agree with your comment. Debating here always brings interesting opinions and point of views, and that was the reason of my original posting. Best, E.
Hers is not a program
By: Gwai : February 28th, 2021-03:43
for grown-ups, in my opinion. Full disclosure: Embarrassed to find I did discuss that video last April with watch pals of mine - without having watched it in full. Didn't go THAT far... Cheers Marc
I totally agree
By: eklektik : March 3rd, 2021-15:16
All these reasons are also why I love what JLC represents. It is very personal but I prefer their image to Rolex's for example, which is too recognisable. I wish them well for the future! Best, E.
When the caravan passes, the dogs bark
By: Alfihar : March 3rd, 2021-21:18
We live in a world where controversy is king. The principle of social networks is to generate traffic or what better than antagonism, love and hate to gain an audience. Excessive or fakes news are also effective in this strange world .... JLC is not a per...