JLC - Non exhaustive list...but the info collected so far, all rights reserved...

Non exhaustive list...but the info collected so far, all rights reserved...

Nov 16, 2005,08:08 AM

This is based on what I know, listed are various movements supplied throughout the period stated (may not be continuous supplied throughtout the period) and may or may not be the current situation, some watches supplied are complete watches, others are whole assembled movements or just ebauche, sometime, same model was supplied to a few brands at the same time.:

From 1898
Audemars Piguet
Simple & complicated calibres, chronographs, split-seconds, quarter & minute repeaters, ultra-thin, small seconds and centre seconds, ultra-thin, concealed winding-crown, tonneau, calendars

From 1910 to 1970 and today
Cartier
Simple and complex calibres, shaped movements, Duoplan, Concealed winding-crown, automatic, 8 days, clock calibres

Panerai
2003-4
8 Days

1931 to the 90's
IWC
Simple and complicated calibres, ultra-thin, automatic, centre seconds, calendar, quartz

1901 to around 1950's
Jaeger Paris
Simple and complicated calibres, shaped movements, chronographs, counters, split -seconds, perpetual calendar, quarter and minute repeater, ultra-thin, 8-day double-barrel, grand complications including calibres supplied to Hermes via Jaeger Paris

1903 to 1930's
Lange & Sohne
Quarter and minute repeaters, very small shaped calibres

Early 1900's
Longines
Chronographs, counters, split-seconds, quarter and minute repeaters, ultra-thin

Mathey-Tissot
1900 to 1910's
Quarter, 5-minute and minute repeater with silent slide, chronographs, split-seconds, 8 days
Once a significant client, now defunct.

Nardin (Ulysse Nardin)
1900 -30's
Chronographs, split seconds, minute repeaters

Patek Philippe
1902 to 1932 and then again in the 70's
Simple and complicated calibres, quarter and minute repeaters, ultra-thin, chronographs, split-seconds, small calibres for ladies wristwatches, ultra thin
Very strong ties 1902 to 1930, sporadic in the 70's

Piaget
1920 to the 30's
Chronographs

Vacheron Constantin
From early 20th century
simple and complicated calibres, quarter, 5 minutes and minute repeaters, ultra thin, chronographs, split-seconds, ultra thin, complete calendars, extremely small calibres for ladies, automatic, small seconds
Ties particularly strong from 1938 to 1964

Wittnauer
1901 to the 30's
chronographs, split seconds, 5 minute repeater
Clients of Jaeger, movement made in Suisse, Wittnauer recased the watch for sale in US

Jaw

What different companies does MJLC manufacturer base movements for ?

By: Dhiraj Doshi : November 15th, 2005-11:11

Dear All, I am a complete Jaeger-LeCoultre fan .I just bought myself a Master Compressor Dulamatic and put a dark brown horn back strap on it .I think it is the most beautiful watch i have ever owned . While i made my purchase i was told that JLC manufact...

JLC movements

By: Aalok : November 15th, 2005-12:24

Congratulations on the new Master Compressor Dualmatic. That is one of my favorite watches & contains a brand new movement design from JLC. You can be confident that JLC produces extremely high quality movements. There is a long history within the Swiss w...

Very considered answer thanks!

By: Jaw : November 15th, 2005-08:20

I have done some compilation of movements supply to th industiw my own for some years. In the history of jlc, it was more than ebauch supplies. Many famous pieces were in fact made for other famous brands. Will post when i am home. Jaw posted via nokia n7...

I'm particularly thinking of AP and VC

By: Gary : November 15th, 2005-09:21

Seems that many VCs I look at have characteristic signs of JLC movements! For example, isn't the Toledo based on the same movement as the JLC MM? Then there's the AP Millenary Maserati two time-zone watch whose sub-dial placement is suspiciously like that...

There is no need to be "suspicious" about it; it is openly acknowledged fact that

By: ThomasM : November 16th, 2005-02:14

the two "superlative" movements of the 20th century, the AP/VC 2003/1003, and the AP/VC 2120/1120, were JLC developments, initiated and funded by AP and VC (and in the second case, by PP as well) The manual wind ultra thin was itself based upon a L.E. Pig...

The origin of a movement...

By: Jaw : November 21st, 2005-04:16

Thanks a lot guys

By: Dhiraj Doshi : November 16th, 2005-07:07

Are you sure of everything...

By: Dje : November 16th, 2005-02:02

for what I have seen MJLC delivers also (mainly?) finished and assembled movements for their main customers. They also deliver to Van Cleef et Arpels, and it seems that they deliver Piaget too (just for one watch). I know that Lemania delivers also some a...

Not sure of ebauches delivery vs. completed movements.

By: Aalok : November 16th, 2005-04:04

I don't know the details of companies which used complete movements vs. those which used ebauches for their watches. I'd like to learn more about JLC's role as a movement supplier, so I would welcome any information on this topic. Here is a very brief lis...

Yes...

By: Dje : November 16th, 2005-06:06

The comments in this thread are all interesting and informative, but I have to caution

By: ThomasM : November 16th, 2005-01:13

non exhaustive list...

By: Jaw : November 21st, 2005-04:16

Very considered answer thanks!

By: Jaw : November 16th, 2005-02:02

Thanks alok

By: Dhiraj Doshi : November 16th, 2005-07:07

JLC - AP

By: Felix : November 16th, 2005-07:07

Probably worth noting AP had an equity stake in JLC, A stake they sold to Richemont and partly used to finance the America's cup initiative. Regards

They also used some of the proceeds from the sale to complete the ownership

By: ThomasM : November 16th, 2005-01:13

of Renaud et Papi, arguably one of the greatest high complications specialists extant today. TM

And part of the deal was also...

By: Dje : November 17th, 2005-12:12

the rights and tools of caliber 2120, if I understood well (please Thomas correct if I'm wrong)! If so 2120 would be a real 100% manufacture caliber for AP now.

Yes, correct (the tooling is housed and used in Le Locle at AP RP) (nt)

By: ThomasM : November 17th, 2005-12:12

By: Jaw : November 16th, 2005-08:08

Excellent, interesting list. I would caution readers, though, to bear in mind that

By: ThomasM : November 16th, 2005-01:13

Jaw intended his list to include brands which were supplied movements - complete or ebauche - by JLC, from JLC's side. I am sure he did not mean to imply (as might be easily mistakenly concluded) that these brands relied EXCLUSIVELY on JLC movements, comp...

Completely correct assumption...thanks! (nt)

By: Jaw : November 16th, 2005-02:14

Thanks for clarifying things.

By: Aalok : November 16th, 2005-05:17

I enjoy looking into the historical connections in the Swiss watch industry, especially regarding JLC & F. Piguet. These topics can often be misinterpreted and serve as the foundation for making value judgements on the various companies involved. This is ...

I made a typographical error in my earlier post, which you repeated here...

By: ThomasM : November 16th, 2005-06:18

Hi, Aalok, That should have been L.E. Piguet, not F. Piguet. The LE Piguet origins of the cal. 1003/2003 manual ultra thin are not widely known, and I only found out about it after decades of interest in the industry, and then only because of a fortuitous...

Thanks for the compliments

By: Aalok : November 20th, 2005-08:20

and Breguet

By: ei8htohms : November 16th, 2005-04:16

Hi Guys, In addition to the JLC based Breguet calibers already listed in this thread (Cal. 549 and 530), Breguet also used the JLC Cal. 839 ultrathin, calling it Breguet Cal. 509 (or possibly 503, I can't remember which, the other one is the Breguet versi...

Jaeger-LeCoultre

Non exhaustive list...but the info collected so far, all rights reserved...

What different companies does MJLC manufacturer base movements for ?

JLC movements

Very considered answer thanks!

I'm particularly thinking of AP and VC

There is no need to be "suspicious" about it; it is openly acknowledged fact that

The origin of a movement...

Thanks a lot guys

Are you sure of everything...

Not sure of ebauches delivery vs. completed movements.

Yes...

The comments in this thread are all interesting and informative, but I have to caution

non exhaustive list...

Very considered answer thanks!

Thanks alok

JLC - AP

They also used some of the proceeds from the sale to complete the ownership

And part of the deal was also...

Yes, correct (the tooling is housed and used in Le Locle at AP RP) (nt)

Non exhaustive list...but the info collected so far, all rights reserved...

Excellent, interesting list. I would caution readers, though, to bear in mind that

Completely correct assumption...thanks! (nt)

Thanks for clarifying things.

I made a typographical error in my earlier post, which you repeated here...

Thanks for the compliments

and Breguet

Traveling, thanks John (nt)

...and the Panerai 190 8-days! nt

Ok - JAW beat me there... nt