My supplementary question; it was launched with c822 with 21 jewels, would they change movement in the same model at a later date? Mine is bought new from the boutique in 2017..

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Jaeger-leCoultre cal 822

 
 By: chippyfly : April 15th, 2021-04:45
I have only recently discovered that JLC has revised the construction of its long established calibre 822 movement, still used in many of the new Reverso's. The triovis regulator has gone and the balance is now spring-free inertia with a revised balance c... 

I sent them an email.

 
 By: amanico : April 15th, 2021-08:17

I didn't notice, either.

 
 By: amanico : April 15th, 2021-08:17

aaaah.... Great!

 
 By: Reuven Malter : April 15th, 2021-09:28
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Absolutely!

 
 By: amanico : April 15th, 2021-08:56

May I ask when did they change it?

 
 By: Pun : April 15th, 2021-08:53
Just wondering whether my TT 1931 bought in 2017 was with the new one or the older calibre...

Here are two shots from the 2013/2014 catalogue

 
 By: eklektik : April 19th, 2021-12:32
The TT1931 was not on the 2015/2016 catalogue, so your watch must have been left on the shelf until your acquisition. The photos show the 21 jewel movement. Best, E. ...  

Okay. Thanks for your response. I got it on order from Switzerland after waiting for 2 months.

 
 By: Pun : April 19th, 2021-21:02
It was apparently left with the company somewhere that they discovered in 2017 and fortunately I got it through my Boutique. Anyway its an impressive Reverso with a svelte case...

Shock protection

 
 By: cazalea : April 15th, 2021-14:54
I’m going to tackle one of your questions first. Shock-proofing is most important when the rotating mass is high and the likelihood of shock is high. An example would be a large balance wheel on a slow-beat pocket watch. It’s quite common for balance whee...  

Thank you for your insight!

 
 By: Reuven Malter : April 15th, 2021-15:18

A look at the movements

 
 By: cazalea : April 15th, 2021-15:37
No cap jewels on the escape wheel, no "manual" adjustment Escape wheel cap jewels and shock absorption, adjustment on balance (but lots of weights on heavy balance wheel) As for why change it? I think of a comparison with fountain pens and ball point pens...  

Possibly so

 
 By: cazalea : April 16th, 2021-06:54
On the other hand, it is nice to clean and lube a movement, put it back together and not need to tweak things. In theory it won’t change once set when built, and a balance never goes in the cleaning machine (in my experience). Perhaps better, perhaps not ... 

Hi Clive, I just received this answer from the Manufacture:

 
 By: amanico : April 19th, 2021-01:10
" The choice was made to update the calibre 822 with a free sprung balance wheel as they are considered far superior in chronometric performance than raquetterie. It enables better adjusting and better performance all together. As far as the removing of t... 

Pleasure.

 
 By: amanico : April 19th, 2021-14:05

Very good point and very interesting discussion!

 
 By: eklektik : April 19th, 2021-11:59
It seems that the caliber name evolved as well, so the evolution was mentioned: 822, 822/2, 822A/2. Best, E.