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Jul 23, 2021,14:05 PM

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Exam question...

 By: pplater : July 22nd, 2021-13:21
Can anything other than a Patek be called a ‘Calatrava’? Explain your answer. 🧐 Cheers, pplater.

it depends what you're looking for....

 By: mahesh : July 22nd, 2021-13:28
Santiago Calatrava use the same 'logo' as an architect & he don't build normal structures either ;-)


 By: brauner : July 22nd, 2021-14:09

Okayyyyyy, fair call...

 By: pplater : July 22nd, 2021-14:41
Let’s bring it back to watches. Is any brand other than Patek reasonably entitled to describe their watches as ‘calatrava’? Cheers, pplater.


 By: amanico : July 22nd, 2021-14:45


 By: pplater : July 22nd, 2021-15:00

No it can’t be

 By: CastorKrieg : July 22nd, 2021-15:48
It’s not only a watch name, but Calatrava logo is at the same time the logo of Patek Philippe.

Yes and no

 By: vitalsigns : July 22nd, 2021-16:15
"A" Calatrava, no, as that means to me only Patek, demonstrated by the Calatrava cross and Patek's use of the name to refer to specific watches over many decades. "Calatrava-style" watches, ok, since that style proliferated at least as early as the 1950s,... 

Yes, and here are ten quick examples of NON-Patek watches currently being called Calatrava

 By: cazalea : July 22nd, 2021-18:57
UNIVERSAL GENEVE OMEGA ETERNA GLYCINE JAEGER LE COULTRE LONGINES WITTNAUER ZENITH CARTIER MINERVA I could go on. Let's just say that Facial Tissues are generally called Kleenex, as in " Get me a Kleenex, I'm gonna sneeze " ... and in another example Costc...  

So, in context, does this mean...

 By: pplater : July 23rd, 2021-07:58
...that Patek’s Calatrava is Tiffany and your ten examples (plus others) are Costco? Put another way: Patek is the OG and the others get away with it because it’s the real world. Which would not be entirely unreasonable, if the proprietary use has been ov... 

I would say there is a "Calatrava watch style" and a company that early on chose to use "the name Calatrava" for some of their watches

 By: cazalea : July 23rd, 2021-12:52
It harms no one to use the word as it has evolved over the last century evolved in two aspects: - as a Style including a simple case, straight lugs, time-only, dressy, often precious metal, plain or sector dial, usually on a strap, from many many Swiss br... 

My uneducated opinion based on zero research…

 By: pejp : July 25th, 2021-03:01
I always thought that the true Calatrava was Patek, but the word Calatrava was used as a kind of shorthand to describe a certain style of vintage dress watch, often with sub-seconds. I wouldn’t call anything other than a Patek a ‘Calatrava’ but when other...