WatchProSite Review: The Best Watch Winder, The Swiss Kubik Watch Winder Box

Aug 23, 2019,16:55 PM
 


 

Watch winders have become necessities for watch collectors like us.  But not all watch winders are made the same.  And sometimes buying an expensive one isn’t the best solution. 

 

Some watch collectors, despite their experience, don’t realize what their watch winding requirements are.  Some watches wind clockwise, some counter-clockwise, and some both.  Some watches require as little as 600 rotations a day, some watches require as much as 2000 rotations a day to keep the mainspring wound. 

 

Winding the watch in the wrong direction could be detrimental to the timepiece.  Winding too many rotations a day could create unnecessary wear.  Winding too little and the watch will stop. 

 

So, let’s say you have a Rolex Submariner or Datejust; this watch winds in either direction and requires 650 rotations a day.  This is an easier watch to deal with. Maybe you have an even thicker automatic watch, a IWC Big Pilot or an automatic Panerai, this watch can handle it! 

 

In addition, let’s say you also have a Patek Philippe with a 240 caliber.  Most Patek Philippes are a bit unusual, they need to be wound Counter-clockwise and at least 800 rotations a day! 

 

Let’s also say, you have both a Rolex and a Patek Philippe and you alternate between the two.  Wouldn’t it be nice to have a single watch winder that could fulfill both requirements? 

 

Finding such a solution isn’t easy.  When you acquire the multi-winder from Scatola Del Tempo (which winds multiples of three watches at once), all three timepieces are subjected to the same program which must alternate from clockwise and counter-clockwise, because when you wind three watches in a connected gear; the middle watch will always wind the opposite direction of the left and right watch.  This means, if your Patek Philippe was in this watch winder, it’d be enduring unnecessary clockwise motions.  On a tense Patek Philippe 240 caliber, the weight may have some tension and swing violently, causing a small amount of wear.  Multiplied by thousands of days, there would be noticeable unnecessary wear. 

 

So, I was in search of a better solution.  Here were my requirements:

1.     Cost effective and financially efficient.  No point at throwing lots of money on a medium problem. 

2.     Small in size, fits in safety deposit box at bank.  Obviously battery operation needs to be possible.

3.     Thoroughly customizable that would compatibly meet the needs of all my automatic watches. 

4.     And a scale-able solution.  The solution must be scale-able for my current small collection but scale to a large collection (one day). 

 





The winder uses two C sized batteries.  These two batteries are compact and allow the winder to be put into a safe.  The two C sized batteries should allow for continuous use of over three years!  SwissKubik designed the motors and their movements are now used by many watch brands such as Audemars Piguet, Patek Philippe, and others. 



Here is a thick watch (approximately 16 mm thick case) on a strap. 



Above you see a thin watch on a bracelet, notice the watch is well positioned on the center of the cuff. 

The watch winder cuff comes in Standard and Small sizes.  They hold bracelet watches and strap watches.  The snap is very secure, but very abrupt for the watch when you remove the watch and winder cuff from the winder itself.  It's held in with a friction system.  If I were to be critical, this abrupt release would be the biggest fault of the product.  Perhaps a better system could be employed here. 



The glass door has an elegant hinge mechanism. 


Using a USB port, the winder can communicate to the computer.  Using the Swiss Kubik computer program, you can program the winder to turn a specific number of rotations per day and also in a specific direction. 


The glass door allows for even thicker watches not to hit the glass door, the watch in the photograph is over 16mm thick!  The glass door is an optional extra and I highly recommend it!  Some watch winders cannot accommodate very thick watches.  Their doors hit the watch!  Not the case here! 



The winder always sets the watch upright.  A cool feature! 


In conclusion, this watch winder box is cost effective, compact, and has all the features I need to ensure the picky watches in my collection are properly wound.  The product meets all of my requirements, I anticipate high overall reliability in the long run, and they're also quieter than my Scatola Del Tempo winders (which were noisy when new and still noisy now).  I highly suggest you try out a Swiss Kubik winder!  I've considered other winders, including more expensive models from other brands.  But the other brand I have in mind is even more expensive, bulkier, and wouldn't fit in the bank's safety deposit box.  Swiss Kubik winders will not magnetize the watch (when you have motors and magnetic fields, this is a big problem, especially with inexpensive watch winders); and they're now the chosen supplier for many brands including Patek Philippe, Vacheron Constantin, Rolex, Audemars Piguet, Piaget, Omega, and more. 

Many thanks to Swiss Kubik and Totally Worth It for arranging the product loan and for introducing me to a new product!  For technical information about this product and to see all the options other than black carbon fiber, please visit www.swisskubikus.com


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I concur

 
 By: India Whiskey Charlie : August 23rd, 2019-17:06
I have three of them and they absolutely great. The batteries last quite a long time too. Although they are quite pricey, they are a high quality product.

Is an IWC sitting in one of them?

 
 By: patrick_y : August 24th, 2019-20:42
I have an IWC sitting in a Scatola Del Tempo. Fortunately this IWC isn't picky about which way it turns, so the Scatola Del Tempo (this model has to turn both CCW and CW, I can only set how many turns a day from 600, 800, 1000, 1200, 1400 increments) meet... 

Superb review Patrick!

 
 By: sham1 : August 23rd, 2019-19:50
I shall definitely consider one when I buy my next winder. I currently use a Bernard Favre which has been my best ever winder.

How do you like your Bernard Favre winder?

 
 By: patrick_y : August 24th, 2019-20:43
How long have you had it? Is it reliable? Does it go through too many batteries? I definitely like the look of them!

Hi Patrick

 
 By: sham1 : August 24th, 2019-21:35
The Bernard Favre winder is a 3 dimensional winder as you know and works on a built in rechargeable battery. One charge allows the winder to work for 3 to 4 months. There are 16 different programmes to choose from so enough to cater for all watches. I hav...  

Definitely very impressive!

 
 By: patrick_y : August 24th, 2019-21:58
Thanks for sharing the details with us! Five years is definitely a long enough time for problems to emerge. Glad that there haven't been any issues.

Thank you Patrick!

 
 By: sham1 : August 24th, 2019-22:38
I bought the winder for the beauty of it but I have been impressed by the rechargeable battery life and its silent operation. My dream is to buy another two for my incoming 5212A and 5711A. Placing all three together would be quite a sight to behold

I shall but that would be in 2022 Patrick

 
 By: sham1 : August 25th, 2019-10:13
when the 5711 finally arrives!

I am a fan of watchwinder and have BZ, Wolf and others.

 
 By: Patekphilippecollector : August 23rd, 2019-20:06
My only the Swiss Kubik is that in thus day and age wouldnt it make more sense to use bluetooth versus the usb connector? Even PP uses that on it's current wonders. The other shirt coming and please correct me if I am wrong is that I like a delayed start... 

Not sure...

 
 By: India Whiskey Charlie : August 23rd, 2019-21:29
What's the difference between the watch staying on your wrist and continuing to wind on the winder? I don't see a benefit to having a delayed start as you suggest.

The theory being that it gives the watch a chance to run down and then up

 
 By: Patekphilippecollector : August 24th, 2019-01:38
Again versus being fully wound and then going for 900TPD

Understood. [nt]

 
 By: India Whiskey Charlie : August 24th, 2019-08:15

That is a nice feature.

 
 By: patrick_y : August 24th, 2019-20:45
I want to say a BZ I had, had that delay start feature. But it's not with me right now so I can't check. I haven't seen the winders Patek Philippe currently offers, so I didn't know that there was a bluetooth mechanism. This is definitely a good idea and ... 

Just checked

 
 By: Jurry : August 26th, 2019-13:11
Just took quick look at their website: nowadays versions also come with Bluetooth

Bingo!

 
 By: patrick_y : August 26th, 2019-14:00
I knew there was an app, so I knew it was coming. I just didn't know if it was public yet.

For the traveller that has everything the Travelbox

 
 By: Patekphilippecollector : August 27th, 2019-01:31
Looks like a fantastic toy to get!!!

Have one

 
 By: Jurry : August 24th, 2019-03:39
I once received a Kubik winder that is branded Vacheron. It’s exactly the same as on this picture and i5 works indeed like clockwork I used it for my Vacheron Harmony Calendar: it fits perfectly in the safe so even when stored my watch remains wound and I... 

Definitely trying to find fault and be critical!

 
 By: patrick_y : August 24th, 2019-20:47
The SwissKubik I've experienced definitely has a bit of a snap when removing the watch. But it's not a big problem. Yeah, I love the straight up part. Something so small and simple, yet such a nice tough to have!

I have to try it

 
 By: drphileasfogg : August 24th, 2019-03:59
But for me the best is to have two BZ Vantage (2 pieces), so far I only have one. However, I think that the Swis Kubik will be a good option when going on holidays.

SwissKubik as official supplier to most all high-end brands

 
 By: totallyworthit : August 24th, 2019-07:05
SwissKubik is the winder supplier to Rolex, AP, Omega, JLC, Tag Heuer, and so many other brands. Their movements are bulletproof and guaranteed for 3 years. Most importantly, they do not magnetize the watches they preciously keep.

The BZ Vantage is a very nice model!

 
 By: patrick_y : August 24th, 2019-20:51
Speaking from experience, I do like my BZ Vantage. But it's large and expensive. It doesn't travel well. It's heavy. It won't fit in the bank's safe. Definitely a nice piece for your own home closet though! And I do think the BZ uses more batteries than o... 

I use the BZ safemaster as its easy at home

 
 By: Patekphilippecollector : August 27th, 2019-01:25
And relocate to bank mo issue. I am just not a fan of the fact that it works on modules so each rotor does have independent function

And bizarrely all the functions are on top of the.module so you cant change them

 
 By: Patekphilippecollector : August 31st, 2019-18:21
Without pulling it out the safe. Wolf I think have generally git it right from a value and functionality perspective

Travel Winder...

 
 By: totallyworthit : August 26th, 2019-02:09
Stay tuned, SwissKubiK may just have a surprise for you and all watch aficionados for this holidays...

Curious

 
 By: Jurry : August 26th, 2019-13:03
You’re making me curious? I’m about to invest in a true proper luxury safe. Haven’t decided yet if I select built in winders or buy winders separately that fit in the safe. Hence you’re “hint/suggestion” could be important to me

Get a safe from a safe manufacturer...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 26th, 2019-14:09
The luxury safes area really nice, but they're shockingly expensive. I would like to do a review about a safe, but I find that I'm not an expert in safes, so I might not be qualified. However, with the non-professional knowledge I do have; I would highly ... 

Thanks

 
 By: Jurry : August 26th, 2019-14:34
Your views are much appreciated I’ve done a lot of homework and learned 3 things: 1) luxury safes are indeed ridiculous expensive but seldom ly offering adequate protection 2) many, many manufacturers shout they are burglary and fire protection and list r... 

Best comment I heard was from fellow

 
 By: Patekphilippecollector : August 27th, 2019-01:26
Forum member Ed whi said that the safes are so expensive that even if it was stolen empty, you still weep!!

Yes! Very true! [nt]

 
 By: patrick_y : August 27th, 2019-09:26

Brands are fine...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 27th, 2019-09:26
I recommend a brand called ISM. Israeli made. Very high quality. Considered as a "Rolex" level safe. In the USA, the popular brand here is called "AMSEC" or American Security. Another high quality "Cadillac" level of safe. Both of these companies have the... 

Thanks Patrick. Great review!

 
 By: MichaelC : August 26th, 2019-15:27
I appreciate your thoughts. I no longer use a winder as my collection is small and I keep them at the bank. But I like these little cubes, very attractive and most importantly they seem highly programmable. Kudos to the designers.

Thank you MichaelC!

 
 By: patrick_y : August 27th, 2019-09:23
That's the best way to do it. No winders. All on the wrist.