Watch Rivalries and Why Rolex is so successful

Jun 10, 2020,11:49 AM
 

There are some watches that have direct rivals such that choosing between them is basically a toss up. These are watches with a similar MSRP, style and function etc. that have historically competed with each other for the same customer who is deciding between one or another.

Some direct rivals that come to mind are:

AP 15202 v. Patek 5711
Patek 5170 v. Lange Datograph
Rolex Submariner v. Rolex GMT
Lange Timezone v. Patek Worldtimer (51X0/5230)

In thinking about this, there are 3 Rolex models that I would contend have no direct “rival” and control their market in a completely dominant way. These include:

The Daytona-

There is simply no sport chronograph at a similar price point (MSRP) that is nearly as desired. Put another way, there is no alternative choice that even begins to put a dent in the Daytona’s market share. The Royal Oak chrono is a way higher price point. The Speedy is far less. Indeed, It is so dominant and desireable compared to others in its class that customers are willing to pay 2X for it.

The DateJust-

The DateJust may be a common, basically entry level watch, but what alternatives would one consider that are similar in style, utility and price point? It is hard to think of a piece that say more than 25% of customers would chose in this category for the price. Grand Seiko? (A watch of similar style and utility, but a cheaper alternative, and not really a direct competitor). Others? Maybe one or more Omegas? None seem to have anything close to the same kind of following as the DateJust. I couldn’t even name the model. Deville?

The Day Date-

What are its competitors for a luxury, prestige precious metal watch. The Royal Oak in precious metal is in a whole different price category. Same with a precious metal Patek on a bracelet. Honestly, I can’t think of a watch that pulls meaningful market share from the Day Date in this category, especially if you are choosing only one watch and not tacking something on to a larger collection such as an IWC or JLC.

So, my contention is that these three models are so dominant in their respective markets (style, function and price point) that they give Rolex an insurmountable edge in competing for customers’ attention and money.




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I think this is at the same level with Daytona ,not to say higher

 
 By: Juliusotto : June 10th, 2020-12:01
and I will take this over a Daytona every day ,not my pictures I wish it was though ...  

I agree and there are many more [nt]

 
 By: India Whiskey Charlie : June 10th, 2020-12:20

Thanks for your comment

 
 By: descartes1 : June 10th, 2020-12:23
The JLC probably has nicer finishing, and in that sense, more value at the price point, but I don’t think the DeepSea chrono made any dent at all in market share, and in that sense is not IMO a real rival to the Daytona. In fact, it’s already out of produ... 

I don't think many people are worried about 'finishing' in this type of tool watch...

 
 By: mdg : June 10th, 2020-18:21
...I want functionality, robustness, style, and bang-for-buck. There is no sapphire back and I will never open it up myself. I want a workhorse regardless of how the movement looks.

Interesting post, descartes1

 
 By: George Gently : June 10th, 2020-12:09
I think a 4th Rolex is emerging as an unbeatable overall package: Sky-Dweller. It’s a typical Rolex designwise. It has the Annual calender complication, which doesn’t clutter the dial. On top of that, you get an GMT/dual time zone complication. All that f... 

Recognition is indeed to be earned by the Sky Dweller.

 
 By: George Gently : June 11th, 2020-00:45
There are a few aspects, that make it a potential hard competitor, even for the horological pinnacle. As said, the combination of complications, the overall appearence of the watch, which is rather (may I say it?) stealth, at least for a Rolex. From a hor... 

A but apart in the Rolex Universe. Or at least it has to build its own paths. But when you see that...

 
 By: amanico : June 11th, 2020-01:00
I am quite confident it will... My only concern, even if I understand it has its use, here, is the fluted bezel. Not really my taste, but... ...  

Don't get me wrong, I highly respect Rolex...

 
 By: patrick_y : June 10th, 2020-12:17
I highly respect Rolex and I'd love to own a Daytona. But at the end, they make tens thousands of these a year. It's a commodity. A Patek Philippe 5711? They've probably made close to 20 thousand of them over the past 15 or so years. An AP 15202, I imagin... 

Thanks for you thoughts and insight

 
 By: descartes1 : June 10th, 2020-12:31
It’s true Rolex is a mass market producer. What’s so amazing to me is that they have developed what are essentially three product lines (at least) that have minimal competition in the market. What a recipe for success. It’s hard to think of a business in ... 

I agree and see your point,

 
 By: Thomas_3 : June 10th, 2020-13:10
but I'm not sure I agree withe DateJust being an "entry level" watch

I mean to say entry level in the world of Rolex.

 
 By: descartes1 : June 10th, 2020-14:10
I suppose that the Oyster Perpetual no doubt actually holds that position but I think the buyers basically overlap depending if you want a date or not, and not because of price.

Fun post, will generate lots of comments:) [nt]

 
 By: nacelle : June 10th, 2020-13:13
Rolex are masters in this game!

Hmmmm...

 
 By: Moana43 : June 10th, 2020-13:13
I think all of the Rolex models mentioned here certainly have rivals. The fact that many choose a Rolex in the end doesn’t mean that rivals don’t exist — it simply means that there are purchasers out there who prefer Rolex in the end. And, this choice may... 

Fair enough

 
 By: descartes1 : June 10th, 2020-14:13
Would love your thoughts on who the rivals are. It makes for an interesting debate, and I’m sure there are ones I haven’t considered. Thanks.

Many years ago I've been told that

 
 By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : June 10th, 2020-13:24
Rolex is a starting point for some (few ones, actually) while for others is the whole world. I think that Omega is the natural Rolex contender, marketing and sponsorship at their best. Honestly the famous and sought after Daytona has no appeal to me. It's... 

I think Omega has a number of watches that compete with, and are alternatives to, the Sub and GMT

 
 By: descartes1 : June 10th, 2020-14:22
I also think Omega owns the sub $6k chronograph market with the Speedy. But that said, I don’t think Omega has anything that contends with, or is a true market rival to, the Daytona, DateJust or Day Date.

Datejust is a very good example

 
 By: wychiu : June 10th, 2020-15:28
Personally I do not know any other brand that gives me the same satisfaction within my price range as unique as Rolex datejust and its variants. Quality is definitely there. ...  

Omega, like Rolex, is also very successful.

 
 By: patrick_y : June 10th, 2020-15:50
But Omega has many more models than Rolex, many more different case designs, many more different SKUs and each SKU far more different from another than within Rolex. Still, both companies are very vertically integrated and crank out "around a million" wat... 

Omega VS Rolex

 
 By: myles721 : June 10th, 2020-16:12
This comparison is getting increasingly interesting. Why increasingly? Because Rolex has not changed much over the last two decades (or more) but Omega has. It’s like watching two F1 teams duke it out in slow motion. I’m an Omega guy. Price has nothing to... 

There's a lot to love about Omega

 
 By: descartes1 : June 10th, 2020-17:31
At the top of the list for me is the ability to get an extract from the archives for most watches. How cool would it be if you could do that for Rolex. Imagine what it would do to already crazy vintage Rolex pricing. Also, the heritage/reissue department ... 

Great insight!

 
 By: myles721 : June 10th, 2020-17:44
Yes ..noticed a lot on Joma...never considered buying there as I wasn’t sure about their reputation...🤔

Let's focus on the potential buyer

 
 By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : June 10th, 2020-22:39
Rolex IS the brand that almost anyone knows. Omega can play the same game. But when you name RO, Nautilus or Richard Mille, these are simply for a small elite and are still unknown brands to the 99% of the population. Where Omega should be smarter is in r... 

Absolutely agree...

 
 By: myles721 : June 11th, 2020-01:42
Omega has three problems... 1. Pricing. No one will take them seriously if they don’t raise their prices. DSOTM is the first step @ 13K. 2. Resale. The resale sucks compared to Rolex. 3.Exclusivity. They need to get more “clubby” with their customer which... 

+1 [nt]

 
 By: Cookies : June 10th, 2020-22:44

Good points 👍 [nt]

 
 By: Cpt Scarlet : June 11th, 2020-03:53

I supposed the key word here is “ICONS”

 
 By: Monopole : June 10th, 2020-18:54
At this point, it does appear that Rolex, on the whole, has more iconic watches in it’s catalog. Trends do shift and in the next decade or so, we may be talking about Omega and GrandSeiko having a strong list of iconic watches. Great debate and certainly ... 

Excellent post for discussion...

 
 By: Cpt Scarlet : June 11th, 2020-04:17
The traditional battle is between Rolex and Omega and in my opinion it’s going to continue to intensify. The new Omega Speedmaster Ed White with the 321 movement rebooted is the true competitor for the Daytona. As far as the two brands are concerned, I’ve...  

Excellent discussion on Rolex vs. Omega. I have bought both and here are my 3 thoughts on this topic

 
 By: WH_ : June 11th, 2020-06:41
1) Rolex has achieved icon status, both brand wise, and product wise. With iconic status, you get brand equity, and with brand equity you can price up accordingly. This was achieved through a) consistent executional design equities over time, and across p...