Vintage watches, paranoia and a changing collectors market, what’s the future for the Vintage collectors

May 21, 2018,15:00 PM
 





This weekend I had the pleasure to photograph a rare vintage GMT Master ref 1675 with pointed crown guards. The dial is a beautiful lacquered gloss black with gilt printings and inner chapter ring. The values of these pointed crown guard (PCG) have risen dramatically in recent years, in line with many other vintage wristwatches.













Looking at this piece it made me ponder a lot of the future of vintage watch collecting. Vintage watches, especially Rolex, have transcended from being collectible watches into the rarefied world of antiques and objects d‘art. Is a Paul Newman or Patek 2499 now in the same realm of the Ming vase and Dali painting? Perhaps the better allegory is with the classic car world. Does the owner of the Ferrari 250 GT SWB actually go racing or display in a climate controlled garage? Truth is it’s a combination of both, although it’s probably in the garage mostly, driven only on special days. Maybe the owners of Paul Newman’s wear them on special occasion? 








Has the rarity and value factor affected wearability? I have a confession, I get nervous now. Maybe this is a failing on my side. But certainly the older and more valuable a watch is, the more I mollycoddle it. Am I foolish? 
 







I want to preserve the facets of the watch which make them special in the first place. The originality is very important to me, a typical example is my Speedmaster with CB case. The watch is completely original, and I am desperate to preserve that. Any silly knock  and bang, damage could affect the bezel, crystal, maybe even dial/hands. Overpolishing could wipe out those distinctive facets – if it suffers a hard knock to the case. This has happened to me already with another piece. I cannot get it repaired, as the manufacture insist on changing parts. I foolishly dropped it in on concrete. So to preserve my Speedmaster (a watch I am deeply in love with), I bought a Speedmaster with tritium dial from the 80’s. I love this watch too, but is less stressful to wear. Of course this maybe all my own paranoia, we regularly see Bill on boats and manner of places supporting nothing but vintage. 

I think Bill has bigger “balls” than me. Same with Nico. 

 








This brings me to vintage retro modern watches. Faux patina et al. I think manufactures are aware. They know someone with a vintage piece may want a modern for daily life, or perhaps the vintage is so inaccessible they want a way into ownership.  

Some of these vintage retro are perfect, the Omega Trilogy, the vintage Longines diver and JLC Polaris 68 to mention a few. Others are modern interpretations of the vintage, the JLC DeepSea and Tudor Black Bay 58 are prime examples. 

 







Getting back to vintage- there are many factors that are entwined that affect ownership. Value is definitely one, when the GMT was £3000, it hurt if it got damaged, but not as much if it’s worth £30,000. When it becomes this expensive, and dent in originality has a consequential and perhaps devastating effect. Most desirable vintage watches are now at least 50 years old, and are vulnerable to damage. We have already seen the upset on the Rolex forum, when the tritium came out of a GMT master hand. It also happened to a friend of mine, the hour hand still needs fixing. 

That brings me to servicing. Not every brand will service their vintage watches. Rolex is perhaps the biggest culprit. Even when they do, they will replace hands and dials with modern Luminova versions due to health and safety. Talking of health and safety the future of radium dials has oft been called into discussion. Baron did a superb post on radioactivity. All these factors beg a question, are vintage watches too precious to wear regularly and on a daily basis or reserved for those special occasions? Have they become safe box antiques? 

So has the profile of the vintage watch buyer changed – even if not yet significantly. Who pays £50,000 for a Daytona? What am I missing? Are the modern day dealers of antiquities now firmly in the driving seat of highly desirable vintage pieces. Have they superseded the vintage watch buyer?
Paranoia or real first world anxiety, how do you feel about the Vintage market?

Best  

Imran


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Nice writing Miranda

 
 By: Gelato Monster : May 21st, 2018-15:19
I guess deep inside we are always a bit more nervous and time conscious everytime we are wearing those high value vintage collections. I am with you on Tribute and Modern Vintage, they give me perfect life of precision and peaceful romance.

The days of vintage Daytona at 50k are long gone in a span of five to eight years.

 
 By: Bill : May 21st, 2018-15:21
As the watches increase in value the more the go underground or are considered investments. So that creates two distinct classes of vintage Rolex collectors. Those who wear and those who don't. But I am always careful but no plastic bubble business for me...  

So true about the Daytona, you’re a perfect example of a great collector who loves and enjoys his passion

 
 By: Miranda : May 22nd, 2018-15:15
And an amazing collection you have to boot! I confess nothing beats the joys of wearing a Vintage

I’m with you, plus ...

 
 By: nilomis : May 21st, 2018-15:35
I like to wear my watches without being concerned if something happens to it. That’s one reason that I don’t own vintage watches. The other reason is that one cannot be 100% that any vintage is original, no matter how many experts attest the originality. ... 

just my experience

 
 By: benzng : May 21st, 2018-20:28
I am loyal to PP on my watches. I buy a few modern Lange and Rolex. The new Daytona is one as is the new GMT. I wanted to buy a 6263 about 3 to 5 years ago. I studied the watch closely but said its manual! so I hesitated and that is that. Now prices are s... 

Vintage collectors - It is an acquired taste.

 
 By: Bill : May 21st, 2018-21:10
You go through the experience of vintage and you either like what it is all about or you give up on it. It is just they way we look at things. With a modern watch (yes I have modern watches also) you don't have the extra considerations of vintage watches....  

Gorgeus Sicura [nt]

 
 By: Gelato Monster : May 21st, 2018-22:04

Thank you, yes the Vintage Daytona is now a very expensive consideration

 
 By: Miranda : May 22nd, 2018-22:47
But still some good Vintage to be had, I think the transition sapphire watches are good sleepers

Great "thought piece"

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : May 22nd, 2018-00:20
I love vintage and modern. I think they both bring different things to the table. Modrn brings with it the latest technology. Esasier to service. Easier to repair. Easier to find....usually. Yet, vintage brings with it something unique. It brings original... 

Aaaah, Imran, thanks for this very interesting post.

 
 By: amanico : May 22nd, 2018-00:26
As you know, I own and love both of modern and vintage watches, because there are great specimens in both worlds! Vintage watches have something most of moderns don't have: Soul. Moderns have something vintage don't have, a resistance to everyday life, su... 

At least one! ;) [nt]

 
 By: amanico : May 23rd, 2018-01:16

My philosophy!

 
 By: Walter2 : May 22nd, 2018-01:07
I like to wear some of my ROLEX watches and dont care too much, the great rest is sleeping in a bank safe. Rolex is a good Investment too, if you buy the ritgh watches. I dont buy vintage ROLEX before 1980. First there are too many fakes, and second - if ... 

Gracias amigo! [nt]

 
 By: Walter2 : May 22nd, 2018-01:37