Thanks for your input

Apr 08, 2021,09:10 AM
 

I completely agree. It is not just one purchase, but a relationship which will pay itself back over the years if you stay in this long enough.
A. That seems reasonable. If I were in that situation I would be very circumspect in who I purchase from. The grey market exchange is a bit more transactional and cold, it has less of a human touch
B. In terms of people who sell vintage, in my mind I don't view them as grey market. To me, grey market dealers are those whose main business is buying modern watches from ADs that can't move inventory or have some other incentive to sell to a dealer rather than a customer. I have no beef with people who are in the business of tracking down, servicing, and selling great pieces that are no longer in production
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Why I'll Never Go Grey (Market) Again

 
 By: Zeitstuck : April 7th, 2021-13:38
I bought a Lange over one year ago from Wempe. At that time I was given a nice second OEM replacement strap for my watch. I realized a few days ago that they gave me the wrong size (my watch is 20 mm lug to lug and they gave me a 19 mm strap). I notified ... 

How is that even comparable?

 
 By: CastorKrieg : April 7th, 2021-13:43
Excuse me, but I don’t see why grey dealer would be at fault here? You are supposed to check what you get and if you don’t it’s on you, especially after a whole year. We might not agree with grey dealers markup on popular pieces but for thousand others th... 

OEM means Lange

 
 By: Zeitstuck : April 8th, 2021-08:31
And 1mm difference is easy to miss unless you actually go to swap straps. The point of my post was that an AD has great, arguably better, customer service. The fact that they took care of it shows they are understanding

I did do business with them in the past, hence the "Again"

 
 By: Zeitstuck : April 8th, 2021-09:11
Different situation, but mentioned it in detail below replying to LX

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 By: PalmSprings : April 7th, 2021-13:49
The grey dealer wouldn't give you a second strap to begin with so it would never happen. You're reaching.

Ahh, how times have changed!

 
 By: CR : April 7th, 2021-20:31
20 years ago, I bought my first Lange 1 from a grey dealer. It was shipped from Europe to the US. It arrived with (a) Customs duties pre-paid by the seller/shipper, (b) two beautiful custom short straps to fit my wrist (both stamped with the official Lang... 

I know they wouldn't

 
 By: Zeitstuck : April 8th, 2021-08:23
My point was just that an AD, in my experience, has a tendency to offer better customer service.

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 By: PalmSprings : April 8th, 2021-10:10
How is this even comparable? Plus you are making an assumption which could be wrong as well, because you don't know how others would react. You had a good experience with your AD, but there are also people who haven't had a good experience with the same A... 

What is the assumption I am making?

 
 By: Zeitstuck : April 8th, 2021-10:51
I have had a great experience with an AD and a terrible experience with a grey dealer (which I've detailed now a few times in this thread). Granted I didn't explain the bad grey market experience in my OP, but the title says "Again". This is an a posterio... 

Great point.

 
 By: watch-er : April 9th, 2021-14:20
No comparison here.

Any dealer could give a strap right or wrong, new or used, authorized or gray market

 
 By: cazalea : April 7th, 2021-13:52
Choosing where to buy is more complex than you make it out to be Cazalea

I am not teaching a class on where to buy watches from

 
 By: Zeitstuck : April 8th, 2021-11:00
I'm not over simplifying anything because I'm not presenting all the complex things that go into a watch purchase. That wasn't the objective of my OP. My objective was to share my experience, the fact that being treated decently goes a long way for me, an... 

Completely agree. I had so many positive moments with wempe.

 
 By: Reuven Malter : April 7th, 2021-13:53
Why is everyone so negative... i dont get it.

They must all have stock in Joma!

 
 By: Zeitstuck : April 8th, 2021-08:34
Thanks for your input

Thats it 🤣

 
 By: Reuven Malter : April 8th, 2021-09:28

Wempe is my go-to AD

 
 By: Uncle Chico : April 22nd, 2021-07:17
I've used the local branch since the 90s and have dealt with the same master watchmaker every time. He's knowledgable, patient and trustworthy. I've even visited with family members and he's taken the time to show watches and explain the finer details kno... 

No, I couldn't

 
 By: Zeitstuck : April 8th, 2021-08:38
I was able to get my watch for below retail, similar to what it was going for on the secondary market. Took more time and effort than if I went grey market. But to me that is worth the added benefit of being treated decently

Most don't have that price opportunity so grey still is a viable option; and a replacement strap is de minimis compared to the price savings.

 
 By: vitalsigns : April 8th, 2021-09:14
I just don't see how your experience reflects poorly on the grey market. But of course, each of us chooses what we most prefer, so I could never quibble with your choice.

And I've had a bad experience with the grey market which turned me off.

 
 By: Zeitstuck : April 8th, 2021-09:30
My apologies, I should have included it in OP to make my position more clear. I'm going to copy/paste my response to LX from below: "I guess the more nuanced point I should be making is Wempe NYC is much better than Jomashop. To contrast my great experien... 

Fair enough. No question that Wempe, which holds one of the strongest reputations, is going to be much better than Jomaship, which is hit-or-miss as far as I understand.

 
 By: vitalsigns : April 8th, 2021-09:46
I have bought grey and second-hand before, but knowing that I would only ever get a factory service if needed--never through the grey or second-hand dealer. All that goes into the price calculus from my perspective. You are certainly not alone in preferri... 

I assume a gray market watch will need a full service and consider that in my cost calculus.

 
 By: Spangles - Mr. Tabby : April 7th, 2021-14:16
A few times, the watch has needed the service. But since I planned for that (and I have a great independent watchmaker), it's no problem other than service time.

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 By: Chromatic Fugue : April 7th, 2021-19:42
I’ve had only good experiences with the 2d hand dealers I’ve worked with, which I chose because they had brick-and-mortar stores and great reviews. And I’ve been treated badly by a boutique of a major watch brand. So choose your seller wisely, but don’t p... 

I'm not prejudiced against pre-owned

 
 By: Zeitstuck : April 8th, 2021-08:57
I have a vintage pre-owned piece that I received from a lovely dealer in Florida. You can see my post below in response to LX on my more nuanced take

It is about excellence in customer service, not whether you buy from an AD or grey market dealer.

 
 By: LX (Alex) : April 7th, 2021-22:18
I also had a terrible experience at an IWC AD in Zurich. When changing a strap they badly scratched one of the lugs and when I complained they said that I had already brought the watch in this condition and were accusing me of wanting to extract a free re... 

That is a fair point. I guess the more nuanced point I should be making is Wempe NYC is much better than Jomashop.

 
 By: Zeitstuck : April 8th, 2021-08:49
To contrast my great experience with Wempe, Joma has treated me terribly. I purchased a speedmaster from them which required service after a few months (issue with the keyless works). As part of the service they changed my hesalite crystal. The new hesali... 

Wempe is one of the few honest ones out there IMHO...

 
 By: pfang56 : April 8th, 2021-06:46
And probably in the last 5 years have recognized the importance of going to an AD and building a relationship with them. In the near term you may be spending a little more, but if you feel like watch collecting is a long-term game, then it’s worth buildin... 

Thanks for your input

 
 By: Zeitstuck : April 8th, 2021-09:10
I completely agree. It is not just one purchase, but a relationship which will pay itself back over the years if you stay in this long enough. A. That seems reasonable. If I were in that situation I would be very circumspect in who I purchase from. The gr...