I posted this on another thread that discussed Patek's corner cutting practice... moving it here as I wanted to know what the holy trinity are thinking.

Jun 06, 2021,15:58 PM
 

So it's pretty clear patek absolutely skipped some work on the calibre, Vacheron has done absolutely nothing to revamp their ageing lineup and calibres, and AP's new 1159 is now just a pre-requisite of getting a RO. Just what in the world are they thinking? Do they really think Lange will not catch up and whatever story they sold will be sufficient?
The new Patek calibre used in the 6119 is undoubtedly good, but criminally under performing compared to the Lange's 1815 calibre. On an IG page (and youtube channel) where the Patek 6119 is pitted against the 1815, it's clear that the 1815's movement finish is much better than the Pateks, and even the anti-reflective coating on the 1815 is better as there's barely any reflections on the glass cover.
A brand new movement, at a higher price point from Patek failed to beat the 1815 in terms of everything. Vacheron's even worse, their automatic and manual caliber 99% of the time is too small for the case they use, absolute laziness from a top brand. AP is nothing apart from Royal Oak, it's a joke how bad they are.
How arrogant can Patek, AP and Vacheron be? They're charging a higher price than Lange and giving so much less. In the channel's vote where the Patek and Lange are put head to head Patek lose out by a considerable margin (around 40-60). Vacheron is just too busy catering the ultra high net worths so their mass market models are just piss poor technically, while AP is all about RO and nothing else. The only thing saving Patek, AP and Vacheron is that Lange's production scale is so much lower otherwise their product doesn't even hold a candle towards the Langes. It's frustrating to see the holy trinity selling stories only and underperforming Lange's so significantly, it's almost like ripping off their customers. Pay 50% more for 50% less of the same thing. Why? Do they really think they get a free pass for simply existing longer? I just don't understand


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Learning about quality finishing and I was wondering

 
 By: onewaycollecting : June 5th, 2021-23:52
I have been wondering and reading about movement finishing. Machine vs hand finishing. Different types. Different styles (varying by country: Swiss, German, Japanese, Dutch, Austrian). I’m a bit confused about the matter because I think my eyes are still ... 

This is such a big topic which will take more than just a reply so i will answer with the ultimate show of watch finishing is in a skeleton dial.

 
 By: rip9er : June 6th, 2021-01:35
For me the newly released Piaget Polo skeleton and the Bulgari Octo Skeleton are examples of exceptional finishing with value in mind. ...  

Some suggestions:

 
 By: jleno : June 6th, 2021-01:59
under 25k: I think this is a good price range for starting to look at high end finishings. Quality anglage, engraving, enamel/guilloche dials, black polished parts, gold chatons, and gold rotors can be obtained depending on the brand. I would primarily lo... 

An Interesting topic, and a complicated one.

 
 By: als1678 : June 6th, 2021-02:09
I would suggest the naked watchmaker deconstructions. Seeing is better than reading about. From the larger brands if you want high quality finishing for your $$ I would say one can find exceptional examples by parmigiani and breguet. But it varies a lot f... 

I posted this on another thread that discussed Patek's corner cutting practice... moving it here as I wanted to know what the holy trinity are thinking.

 
 By: Lafrog : June 6th, 2021-15:58
So it's pretty clear patek absolutely skipped some work on the calibre, Vacheron has done absolutely nothing to revamp their ageing lineup and calibres, and AP's new 1159 is now just a pre-requisite of getting a RO. Just what in the world are they thinkin... 

Then, with due respect...

 
 By: Boris : June 6th, 2021-17:29
Just get yourself a Lange, and spare us the rant. Youtube said it, so it must be right. I much prefer Lange over Patek, but your rant is repetitive and tiresome.

Hmmm ... Lange is part of Richemont.

 
 By: als1678 : June 6th, 2021-18:30
The time only 1815 is incredibly basic. I don't want to start a long discussion but can be compared to ETA. They used to apply high finishing to the invisible parts, not anymore. Basically there are no saints in this business. Do your research, decide wha... 

Interesting perspective, it’s true, sometimes the best finishing doesn’t necessarily makes the best experience.

 
 By: onewaycollecting : June 8th, 2021-01:05
I suppose that’s why many of us like Rolex, even when is not at all hand made/finished.

A champion!

 
 By: amanico : June 6th, 2021-10:46

Could not agree more!

 
 By: als1678 : June 6th, 2021-14:53

Thanks, als.

 
 By: amanico : June 6th, 2021-15:01

That’s a wonderful example.

 
 By: onewaycollecting : June 8th, 2021-01:13
I was looking at other pictures and that balance wheel looks so big, it must be nice to stare at.

This conversation is getting uncomfortably close to . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 6th, 2021-19:11
. . . crossing the line of propriety, if it hasn't done so already. Our community is based on the premise that conversations should be conducted as though they were being held at a cocktail party. Just as one would never engage in a conversation regarding... 

Apologies for bringing this up⬆️

 
 By: onewaycollecting : June 8th, 2021-01:17
Still my approach is from the consumer side. I my intention is about learning about what others have experienced! 🤠