Hi 👋 All, I had a fun and informative virtual GTG with

Oct 30, 2021,15:44 PM
 

Claude-Eric Jan (“CEJ”), manager of the world famous enamel dial maker DonzĂ© Cadrans !

DonzĂ© was set up back in 1972 by Francis DonzĂ©.  Here is the link to the company’s website showing its history.   https://donze-cadrans.com/history/ Apparently Monsieur DonzĂ© worked for Zenith as an enameller (producing white enamel dials for wall clock) before striking out on his own.  His son-in-law Michel Vermot joined him in the early 80s.  They then learned the cloisonne and other techniques.  In the 90s, they made enamel dials for Ulysse Nardin, Patek Phillipe (99 Pink Flowers), Cartier, Jaquet Droz, A.Silberstein and other brands.  Nowadays, the clients are Ulysse (given its ownership since 2011), Girard-Perregaux, and independent brands such as Moritz Grossman, Lang & Heyne, and Czapek.  

Annual production is around 1,200 to 1,500 pieces, with approximately 50% of traditional copper opaque dials, 30% other flinquĂ© dial with translucent colors and 20% for cloisonne and champleve dials.  The wastage for copper traditional dials is 60% to 75% and each dial takes 5 to 8 hours to make.  

For cloisonne and champleve dials, producing each takes 50 to 60 hours.  Within this time range, 8 to 15 hours are needed just for the wiring for a cloisonne dial, and 12 to 15 hours are used for engraving a champleve dial.  The wires for cloisonne are so thin, and the dexterity & patience needed to bend the wires and create the motif are simply unbelievable.  The engraving for champleve is so intricate and makes the motif comes alive.  Thereafter, around 8 rounds of putting enamel with a paint brush on the dial and firing it at 800 degrees in a kiln are needed to get the appropriate colors and gradations.  Further engraving work would be done on champleve dials.  Thereafter polishing and drilling (to make a hole for the hands) are needed under both techniques.

Contrary to other known enamelers DonzĂ© Cadrans never highlighted a person but the entire workshop.  Ulysse Nardin under the leadership of Rolf Schnyder pushed the development of the ChamplevĂ© technique to its limits.  Chinese zodiac is a beautiful proof of that these artists are at the top of this game !

It must be said that enamel has been present in watchmaking for over 300 years and it is regularly found in certain collections offered by different brands.  Ulysse Nardin had since the end of the 80’s actively participated in highlighting this extraordinary art of enamel.  The buyout of DonzĂ© Cadrans happened naturally in 2011 because the company was in financial woes.   It was at risk of losing 40 years of skills, which would have been catastrophic especially since enamel occupied a very important place in the Ulysse Nardin collections.  In parallel the demands have always up and down and it is therefore difficult to maintain the enameling profession through a real training course.

The decision to maintain the durability of Donzé Cadrans was to continue to deliver historical customers, find other customers while ensuring deliveries for Ulysse Nardin.

To meet all the challenges as well as possible, the management of DonzĂ© Cadrans has decided to relaunch training in order to maintain know-how as long as possible.  This far 3 people have benefited from this valuable training.

To my surprise, CEJ informed me that currently Donze Cadrans has only 6 staff and 2 of them started more than 25 years ago.

Amazing that such as a small team can produce so many wonderful dials!  The team’s creativity and artistry make me speechless.  IMO additional apprentices need to join this profession so that more of us will appreciate and share in the joy of owning watches with enamel dials.   

Hopefully you can understand why I am a self-proclaimed “Enamel Addict/Slave” ! 



CEJ with Vulcain Pagusus, Patek birds of paradise, Cartier Pasha dragon, and Cartier “TV” dragon


My UN strong zodiac enamel motifs ☝  





Cartier cloissone ☝ 





Patek ☝ 

 




Patek pink flowers ☝ 

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Interesting post, thanks. (nt)

 
 By: Ronald Held : October 30th, 2021-16:22
NT

Glad that you found it interesting Ronald !

 
 By: GLau : October 31st, 2021-14:45
What enamel piece will you get next ?

Since I have a watch coming..

 
 By: Ronald Held : October 31st, 2021-19:37
In a few months, I doubt I can afford any new enamel dial watchers anytime soon.

Well understood Ronald !

 
 By: GLau : November 1st, 2021-00:46
For me, too many lovely enamel dials but limited resources!

Too many of those dials..

 
 By: Ronald Held : November 1st, 2021-16:40
Too few dollars!

You are welcome Fab and

 
 By: GLau : October 31st, 2021-14:52
good that you found it informative ! Which enamel dial do you want now ?

I think I’ll stick to this 5177G-028 (“School of Fish,” from Patek’s 2021 collection) that’s already awaiting me at an Italian AD for when I’m back for Christmas
;-))

 
 By: FabR : October 31st, 2021-16:02
Seriously though, it’s good to see what also other brands are doing, and I’m sincerely glad Rare Handcrafts are now part of the regular offering of many brands! UN does some *very* good ones which are also much more accessible, and this is really good for...  

The Patek enamel fish 🐠 by AP is

 
 By: GLau : November 1st, 2021-00:44
plenty good ! Just wondering about your non-AP enamel collection 😉

Well understood Fab that Boccadasse is your

 
 By: GLau : November 1st, 2021-14:59
ultimate GRAIL enamel watch ! Hope you have a chance to see a UN Champleve enamel dial in the metal so that the poison can be deepened !😉

Very interesting post, Gordon.

 
 By: ChristianDK : October 30th, 2021-17:51
Thank you for sharing this with us.

Happy that you enjoyed reading the post !

 
 By: GLau : October 31st, 2021-14:53
What do you think of the Vulcain Pegasus ?

Oh Fastwong you MUST

 
 By: GLau : October 31st, 2021-14:54
see the UN ships and Chinese Zodiac ! Which animal are you if you do not mind me asking ?

A snake! Yes, definitely, your post is inspiring!

 
 By: Fastwong : October 31st, 2021-18:02
In the few photos of them online they've not blown me away but I've always assumed they need to be seen in person to be appreciated so they've been half heartedly on my radar for a while. That and even the basic black/white grand feu enamel dials have bee... 

Hi Fastwong, Now you are aka Mr “Serpent” 🐍 ! 😃. What do you

 
 By: GLau : November 1st, 2021-15:59
think of the UN champleve serpent ? IMO The snake has the best color gradations and most vibrant color combination in this Zodiac series thus far. Under the loupe, there so many minuscule details. I can always find something new each time I examine it. He...  

Stunning! Thank you for posting the detailed picture, the work is incredible at this scale and the colors are so vibrant!

 
 By: Fastwong : November 4th, 2021-15:28
All the detail work in the scales and the leaves in the background is an absolutely crazy amount of effort! I love it, this is truly the kind of work that becomes more and more scarce every year and really is watches as art. Congrats on a masterpiece!

Glad that you got

 
 By: GLau : October 31st, 2021-14:55
a bit addicted !

Dear Gordon

 
 By: Zebda : November 2nd, 2021-22:45
I wanted to thank you for this wonderful moment shared via Teams. Rarely have I met someone so passionate about the work of enamel and know what I'm talking about. For my part, my first encounter with enamel was a silver pocket watch case that I admired i... 

Thanks CEJ for

 
 By: GLau : November 5th, 2021-11:13
your time and information provided. Love enamel dials made by Donze Cadran !!! 👍

Those are lovely!

 
 By: j.delage : November 12th, 2021-15:20
Thank you for sharing! PS: The Cartier Dragon is a Divan, not a TV.

You are welcome and trust that you were

 
 By: GLau : November 23rd, 2021-17:05
poisoned deeply with enamel dials ! Which one is your favorite from the photos ?

So beautiful

 
 By: Zebda : November 27th, 2021-11:58
I am pleased to present you one of the two enamel pocket watch boxes that made me fall in love with email ...  

Wow đŸ€©! Please

 
 By: GLau : November 27th, 2021-17:26
explain more about this piece !!!