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Why no Vacheron Constantin?...
Oct 11, 2007,06:48 AM
Vacheron Constantin makes a very nice MR in a case with tear-drop lugs. I believe they now also have one with perpetual calendar in a Malte case. Also I believe VC is capable of making a very good sounding MR.
You mentioned:
Is Patek really on average better at producing MRs and GSs than AP? I
would have thought that AP had the upper hand in MRs and GS
complications due to their long record in executing them whereas Pateks
niche of expertise would be astronomical complications. Just my
understanding of things.
PP (nor VC) makes a GS wristwatch, so indeed AP (Renauld & Papi) has more expertise in making them, although that does not give them the expertise to make a better sounding striking watch. I don't think it is true that AP has a longer record in executing MRs than PP. I don't know who of the two made the first one, but the fact is that repeating wristwatches from before the mechanical watch renaissance are very very rare. According to antiquorum AP made 20 and VC 36. I couldn't find any numbers on PP MR wristwatches but I don't think they made much more or much less than a few dozen, mainly ref. 2524s. PP, VC, and AP made much more repeating pocketwatches in those days, with VC probably producing the first one simply because it is the oldest firm of the three. But I don't think any of the three made significantly more than the others to have a clear lead in expertise. Furthermore a lot of knowledge was probably lost during the dark years of the quartz-crisis.
I've heard Mr. Sterns has to approve of every MR that leaves the PP factory, perhaps his ability in judging the quality of the sound makes that PP produces better MRs on average.
Regards,
Joram
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No compromise
By: MTF : October 10th, 2007-05:05
Salman, IMHO, there is no such thing as an "entry level" minute repeater. It's like your doctor claiming that your surgical instrument is "nearly sterile" or someone is "almost a virgin" or your lottery number is "out by 1 digit" . They either ARE or they...
I hear you loud and clear sir :-)
By: SALMANPK : October 11th, 2007-02:27
Thank you for your response, you're absolutely right about not compromising. I wanted to ask the more experienced gentlemen on this board on which watch they think is the best value of money in the minute repeater world. I do have a soft spot for AP Minut...
Pony pee
By: MTF : October 11th, 2007-02:49
Salman, No - I'm not swearing at you! But if you are talking about the old AP gongs that were seasoned (quenched) in horse urine during forging and annealing, then they could rival even the best from Patek Philippe. Ti case may have good theoretical physi...
Hmmm :-)
By: SALMANPK : October 11th, 2007-04:30
Just a minute...
By: Velociphile - No longer in the building : October 10th, 2007-08:45
... repeater or any other type? Hi Salman, long time hope you're well..... AP seems not 5 minutes ago. If you can accept a five minute or quarter hour device you can save a considerable sum - but would that satisfy? Some have been quite cheap - Kelek, Chr...
:-) Good to hear from you
By: SALMANPK : October 11th, 2007-02:36
Hi Tim , Hope you're well aswell, I do agree La Brassus seems like a moment ago, I really do miss our conversations, who else can I have extended discussions regarding complications and the trends in the industry with? I learnt alot from you thats for sur...
why waste money on a mediocre minute repeater?
By: SteveH : October 10th, 2007-09:06
I'm not sure what you consider "entry level" to be but the best deals I've seen on very nice repeaters are the AP John Schaeffer repeaters. You can find them on the used market incredibly cheap compared to original retail. Also the AP Grand Sonnerie can b...
You're right, I was considering best value of money MR from AP or PP....
By: SALMANPK : October 11th, 2007-03:10
After having studied the mid-level market I've come to the conclusion that I have to look at houses which have a long track record in sucessfully executing such complications and that leaves us only two names. AP and PP. I have a soft spot for AP though a...
ahem, gentlemen...
By: ThomasM : October 11th, 2007-03:21
a wrist slap on both your wrists...you know the rules about specific sources and transactions... ;-) TM
question from a philistine
By: Chromatic Fugue : October 10th, 2007-15:30
I've been into watches for about a year now, and I believe I now know quite a bit about them, but I've never really looked into minute repeaters, so this thread intrigues me. Am I correct that a minute repeater is a watch that literally sounds a tone ever...
Here is a laymans answer
By: Bill : October 10th, 2007-16:25
As with all repeaters the chimes must be activated by the you i.e. you cock the hammer/lever on the watch case side. For example you are in the dark and want to know the time you pull/push the lever and listen to the chimes which will indicate the time to...
You've got some pretty good replies so far; a few thoughts/comments
By: ThomasM : October 10th, 2007-20:37
Hi, Salman, As I commented in the AP forum, you have the repeater bug BAAAAD, my friend! I am honored to be the one to infect you... The Chronoswiss quarter repeater, with a DD quarter repeater module (so has the Kelek and Nivrel 5 minute repeaters at a f...
Hi Thomas :-)
By: SALMANPK : October 11th, 2007-04:20
I wrote quite an extensive reply, but due to a technical glitch it got lost, so I'm typing this again. I learnt alot from the discussions we had and overhearing your conversations with our friends on our epic trip to La Brassus regarding how no two Minute...
a few more thoughts and comments
By: ThomasM : October 11th, 2007-10:12
Hi, Salman, I wrote quite an extensive reply, but due to a technical glitch it got lost, so I'm typing this again. Salman, please share with us, either here, or on our software feedback forum - we want to constantly be improving our software to make it bu...
Thomas I can't thank you enough for your Epic Post.....
By: SALMANPK : October 13th, 2007-15:57
I apologize for the delay in my response, Its Eid down here and I've been spending alot of time with family. I do agree with you that the King of Sonnerie en passant is AP and I have no doubt about that in my mind, in my research I came across an old post...
repeaters and alarm
By: afergs : October 14th, 2007-07:42
Dear all, I have been reading and learning but i am still confussed, i was thinking about a breguet 5707a, as an entry into this wonderful world but am still unsure about the difference bewteen an alarm and repeater. would someone please be kind enough to...
