Here's a way to calculate the financial responsibility of your watch hobby.

May 19, 2019,06:40 AM
 

Don't look at the total value of the watches in relation to your net worth or net income.

First, look at the watches as a hobby-experience purchases with discretionary income . You probably have a better understanding of your sustainable non-essential expense budget than the appropriate ratio of a type of property relative to total income. In other words, you probably know how much you can afford to spend annually on vacations, holiday gifts, restaurants and entertainment, and hobbies.

Second, consider the average cost of servicing one watch in your collection. Multiply that by the number of watches you own and divide it by five to determine the average annual service cost of owning your collection. Every five years should be fine with modern watches and synthetic lubricants; it's the reason we're seeing so many 4,5, and now even 8-year factory warranties when one year was standard as late as the 2000s.

Third, add the annual insurance premium you pay, if any, on the collection to the annual service burden calculated in step 2.

Fourth, accept that some portion of each watch's purchase price is retained as a "store of value" to be recovered upon sale, but some of the purchase price represents a sunken cost. To be conservative and establish a realistic baseline, assume that you can sell your watches any time you want to a preowned vendor that's likely to pay you 35-50% of the original retail price in an unfavorable brand/model scenario... 

...whether you bought the watch at MSRP in a boutique or at a discount used, pre-owned dealers generally purchase at 35-50% of new retail unless we're talking about the bare handful of steel sports watches that are hyped at this moment. More money can be recovered by selling privately, but this can be slow, dangerous, and aggravating. Selling privately is easier when you know other collectors who want a given watch.

Disclosure; I work for a preowned dealer. When I decided to sell my collection, I sold them to my company because it was easy and quick. Also, I had a ton of exotic dress watch complications in precious metal from JLC. Those watches are hard as hell to move regardless who you are, and over half a year later, some of them remain unsold at my company, which runs massive advertising campaigns; I'm glad I skipped trying to market those myself.

Fifth and finally, take the expected loss inherent in the drop from whatever you paid down to that 35-50% of MSRP resale, and divide it by the number of years you expect to keep the watch or watches. Chopping your resale haircut into a rough annual expense allows you to include it in the total "annual watch discretionary budget." Unlike insurance and service costs, this is an annual expense factor that drops the longer you own the watches.

ADD the annual service cost average, the annual insurance average, and the annualized portion of the worst-case scenario resale losses, and you have a usable number that you can compare to your family's sustainable and existing discretionary expense annual budget.

And if you want to measure the impact on your retirement planning, take the newly calculated average watch discretionary budget and use online tools to evaluate how that money could be put to work over your anticipated remaining work years in Treasuries, index funds, 401K, mutual fund, or a bundle of dividend-paying bluechip stocks.

Best,
Tim


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money and watches... random reflection on the hobby

 
 By: remarque : May 18th, 2019-12:53
Nice watches are luxuries, and are not inexpensive. Given that I enjoy watches as a hobby, and my watches are not/will never be investments nor "investment grade" (!), is there such a thing as "responsible" participation in this hobby? Consider this: Rand...  

I must agree.

 
 By: dr.kol : May 18th, 2019-13:00
And I know that rare and wanted watches are also very bad investments. We are victims of very clever marketing. I got a real wake-up-call when Patek decided to increase the prices of two Nautilus model suddenly with 20%. Reason was that they are so "wante... 

I'm with you.

 
 By: Horo_Traveler : May 24th, 2019-11:07
The behaviors of the industry have sucked the fun out of collecting. Too much bland regurgitated nonsense and too much speculation that the brands have either encouraged or not managed properly. More fun to have great times with the family. I'm starting t... 

Go where your heart tells you to go, not where your wallet tells you to go.

 
 By: amanico : May 18th, 2019-13:49
If my choices are winning choices, good, if they aren't, no problem. Now, if you start to wonder if your watch will keep its value, you should consider other playgrounds. I prefer to live my passion. Best, my friend. Nicolas

I agree with you, my friend!

 
 By: NickO : May 18th, 2019-18:46
I would argue that not living life to the fullest is a more irresponsible decision than anything you could do financially. After all, you can’t take it with you and no one ever wrote on their grave stone “Gee, I wish I’d worked harder!”. So here’s to pass... 

+1 my friend 👍🏻 [nt]

 
 By: Watchonthewrists : May 19th, 2019-00:38

George Best? [nt]

 
 By: amanico : May 19th, 2019-12:28

WC Fields [nt]

 
 By: Watch_This : May 19th, 2019-12:45

Great one! [nt]

 
 By: amanico : May 19th, 2019-14:12

I will! ;) [nt]

 
 By: amanico : May 19th, 2019-22:26

You could apply your logic to anything else in your live

 
 By: dedestexhes : May 18th, 2019-13:57
i get the point in not over spending, but you only live once. Calculating everything spoils all the fun, not only with watches. Dirk

+1. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : May 18th, 2019-13:58

Of course! My point is not to spoil anyone's party, but to put acquisitions, watches or yes anything of luxury status, in a different light. Doesn't hurt, may help.

 
 By: remarque : May 18th, 2019-14:19
The choice is mine, yours, etc. Always buy what you love, and don't buy/settle if it won't give you pleasure and satisfaction. Don't buy poor substitutes, ever...

+1 [nt]

 
 By: ZSHSZ : May 19th, 2019-05:29

Does this also apply to wives and girlfriends?

 
 By: reintitan : May 18th, 2019-15:36
And especially for those among us who have both concurrently (present company excluded of course)

Rationality can only go so far...

 
 By: remarque : May 18th, 2019-16:00
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I do not add watch value to my net worth for this reason.

 
 By: jomni1 : May 18th, 2019-18:23
They are expenses. What you get back from selling is a bonus.

Well

 
 By: Speedie74 aka Mr. Torquise : May 18th, 2019-20:48
I will have no money at all if I ever go to retirement, only WATCHES, WATCHES and finally WATCHES. Am I irresponsible??? Cheers, Adam

LOL but true my friend 😉

 
 By: Watchonthewrists : May 19th, 2019-00:41
Living live to the max 🤗

counter-calculation

 
 By: donizetti : May 19th, 2019-02:30
My situation is somewhat different from yours. Let me explain. My only income consists of about $300,000 I receive each month (tax-free - PM me if you are interested) as donations from the members of the religious community I founded. I use this money exc...  

LOL [nt]

 
 By: nwk00 : May 28th, 2019-00:13

Here's a way to calculate the financial responsibility of your watch hobby.

 
 By: Tim_M : May 19th, 2019-06:40
Don't look at the total value of the watches in relation to your net worth or net income. First, look at the watches as a hobby-experience purchases with discretionary income . You probably have a better understanding of your sustainable non-essential exp... 

My formula ....🤣

 
 By: ZSHSZ : May 19th, 2019-07:17
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My brother in law was extremely frugal.....

 
 By: Blansky : May 19th, 2019-09:55
rarely took much of a vacation, didn't splurge on anything for him or my sister and everything was going for their retirement. He died of stomach cancer at age 48.

Platinum advice. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : May 19th, 2019-09:57

My grandfather was the same way

 
 By: NickO : May 19th, 2019-12:35
Very frugal, very disciplined, very honorable man. Lived to 98 and left millions in the bank - but you’d never know it, he chose to live out his golden years in a trailer in Florida. If I could have known one person better in my life, it would have been h... 

This thread is so long I need another drink to get through it!

 
 By: cazalea : May 24th, 2019-19:32
If I have $250k in watches and my desired watch/wealth ratio is 5%, how much of a car collection can I have on $300,000 a month? And can I afford to continue drinking French bubbly? I’m already thirsty again. Cazalea ...  

All well and good this saving and spending..

 
 By: Echi : May 24th, 2019-22:42
But there's something unquantifiable about the whole experience that I took into consideration with regard watch spending.. and that is you have to get it at that time in your life when you can most enjoy it.. and it is usually now. What's the use of a ni... 

Yep! [nt]

 
 By: amanico : May 27th, 2019-23:09

You only live once.

 
 By: nwk00 : May 28th, 2019-00:16
Dealing with death and cleaning up after them made me realize you come empty handed and will leave the same way. Just save and spend responsibly. It's not necessary to leave every cent behind.

Maybe it is irresponsible but many people spend a high % of their disposable income on worse things.

 
 By: Katzky1 : June 3rd, 2019-04:47
Top of the list of horrible use of $ are cars and boats. If watches keep you from overspending on those two luxuries then you'll be better off in the long run.