Here's a rather obscure one: Erwin Sattler Regulateur Classica Secunda

Dec 27, 2018,03:59 AM
 

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Overview of deadbeat seconds watches and calibres (please contribute)

 
 By: KMII : December 26th, 2018-12:22
Every now and then I find a topic or theme in horology that awakens my curiosity (high frequency watches: has been one). The latest one are deadbeat seconds watches, also known as jumping seconds or seconde morte pieces. Unlike the high frequency topic, ...  

Fairly extensive list, thanks. (nt)

 
 By: Ronald Held : December 26th, 2018-13:19
NT

Youโ€™re welcome, Ronald!

 
 By: KMII : December 26th, 2018-22:13
Makes future searches a bit easier ๐Ÿ˜Š

OP?

 
 By: KMII : December 27th, 2018-13:37
Not sure I get you? But yes, I plan to update it as new things come along ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป

Sorry, my mind is not what it once was ๐Ÿ˜‰

 
 By: KMII : December 28th, 2018-19:52
But I promise to keep updating the original post ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป

Thanks! (nt)

 
 By: Ronald Held : December 29th, 2018-13:01
NT

Same here, same here...

 
 By: KMII : December 26th, 2018-22:13
Three or four I am seriously thinking about ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป

Three or four ๐Ÿ˜ฑ. One or two will do for me ๐Ÿค—

 
 By: Watchonthewrists : December 27th, 2018-00:48
Gronefeld , FPJ , Moser , DB or when i do get lucky one day (money wise ) Greubel F. ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿป

Not all at the same time :)

 
 By: KMII : December 27th, 2018-02:23
And maybe not the same ones to start with Btw. the Moser ones were products of the 1950s (the Saltofix from 1955 to 1956, for the Esculab I do not know), so a different Moser from what you know today

Ok didnt know that ๐Ÿ˜ฌ

 
 By: Watchonthewrists : December 27th, 2018-02:56
You know i am not into vintage yet so your right ๐Ÿ˜‰

That's why I figured the disclaimer might be in order ;)

 
 By: KMII : December 27th, 2018-03:00
So you don't unduly worry your AD Yet if you get Moser to make a modern reissue, I would be more than happy

I highly recommend this one:

 
 By: Bounce781 : December 29th, 2018-23:21
...  

A very nice looking JLC ๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿป

 
 By: Watchonthewrists : December 30th, 2018-00:44
Thanks . But for now i will stick to indie brands or my collection will be out of control i think ๐Ÿ˜‰

Good one! [nt]

 
 By: amanico : December 30th, 2018-00:47

Cheers, my friend!

 
 By: Bounce781 : December 30th, 2018-02:32
Happy new year !

Certainly quite high on my list!

 
 By: KMII : December 30th, 2018-21:36
Will however not be my first JLC - a non-deadbeat seconds one is already on its way ๐Ÿ˜Š Thanks for sharing yours!

Paul's 416

 
 By: Watch_time_it_is : December 26th, 2018-14:47
Allows for a selection of either jump or sweep. (Press at the 2 o'clock position) ...  

Gerber 416 sweep/jump second

 
 By: Watch_time_it_is : December 26th, 2018-15:03

Thanks for this...

 
 By: KMII : December 26th, 2018-22:15
Had it under Paul Gerber in both the steel and gold varieties (416/410) ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป Some early ones had the switch operated by the crown, before the pusher got used ๐Ÿ˜Š

Awesome !!! [nt]

 
 By: Bounce781 : December 30th, 2018-22:39

A few more models from Arnold & Son come to mind

 
 By: iadxb : December 26th, 2018-20:07
TB88 Cal A&S5003 Chronograph True Beat Cal A&S7103 True Beat Retrograde Cal A&S6008 TB Cal A&S6103

Seems like a complication Arnold & Son is taking very seriously!

 
 By: KMII : December 26th, 2018-22:17
Thanks for adding these, will put them into the sheet ASAP ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป

There is an additional Lang & Heyne model, the Heinrich.

 
 By: Tim Jackson : December 27th, 2018-03:51
It gains a power reserve complication in addition to all that the Konrad sports. Also has a rather charming solid silver dial with romans. Disclosure, this belongs to a dear friend who added a couple of features, the hinged solid gold case back and a caba...  

Try again with the pics...

 
 By: Tim Jackson : December 27th, 2018-03:55
Am sitting at MIA, so WiFi in the Amex Centurion lounge is a bit iffy! Cheers, Tim ...  

Even better with the pictures!

 
 By: KMII : December 27th, 2018-05:48
Not sure what happened to them in the first post - they appear to be in but donโ€™t display ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿปโ€โ™‚๏ธ

Thanks a lot, Tim!

 
 By: KMII : December 27th, 2018-05:47
Have added it into the original post ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป

Here's a rather obscure one: Erwin Sattler Regulateur Classica Secunda

 
 By: skyeriding : December 27th, 2018-03:59
Powered by a Habring2 deadbeat movement. www.erwinsattler.com .html#!div1 Regards, skyeriding

Thanks a lot for adding this one, Skyeriding!

 
 By: KMII : December 27th, 2018-05:49
Have amended the original post accordingly ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป

Tru-Beat

 
 By: Mark : December 27th, 2018-05:01
i had these two pieces a number of years ago, and would spend quite some time marveling at the second hand movement. Then I auctioned them off. Beautiful pieces, but the scarcity of the parts made me sell them. ...  

Thanks for sharing your experiences, Mark!

 
 By: KMII : December 27th, 2018-05:51
I have read that in earlier times watchmakers simply exchanged the 1040 movements with the 1030s, so as to avoid service issues. Such a waste ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿปโ€โ™‚๏ธ But I do understand that spare parts availability must be a nightmare...

Glad you like it, Nico!

 
 By: KMII : December 27th, 2018-13:39
I have to say I was surprised at how many there have been / there are. Habring and JLC are well known for the complication but it seems thereโ€™s so much more in this direction ๐Ÿ˜Š

Let's see that... [nt]

 
 By: amanico : December 27th, 2018-13:58

You're more than welcome, Eklektik!

 
 By: KMII : December 27th, 2018-22:27
It is certainly one that has been intriguing me for a while, too. Especially like the fairly rare boutique edition, with the blue dial. As usually my timing was somewhat off, and now chasing one on the secondary market is proving difficult

Although the idea is intriguing I still donโ€™t know where is stand on this complication.

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : December 28th, 2018-03:00
Sometimes I think: yes, a quartz look alike is fun (and under the radar, although I highly doubt non watch people would ever notice either way...). But more often I think: why on earth would I want a second hand that reminds me of quartz movements every s... 

Look at it this way: a reminder of the vintage pendulum clock

 
 By: cazalea : December 28th, 2018-05:19
As a one-second period was very common and reflected by the movement of the second hand. (Quartz is merely similar to that and the seconds donโ€™t have to jump but saves energy) Exhibit A: Bulova Accuquartz - smooth sweep seconds Which do you prefer: hummmm...  

Good one, I'll try to keep that in mind.

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : December 28th, 2018-05:29
Although those clocks are before my time so there is no positive emotional connection to the dead beat second. Apart from hearing that sound at my grandfolks. ๐Ÿ˜ฌ

Not into clocks then? ๐Ÿ˜Š

 
 By: KMII : December 28th, 2018-07:20
Not into them myself, although the children love them at their grandparents place, especially winding them. My wife is adamantly against, though, claiming watches are more than enough ๐Ÿ˜‰

Maybe an Atmos at some point in time.

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : December 28th, 2018-07:38
Or a Christiaan vd Klaauw clock but try finding one...

Just discovered on Amazon

 
 By: cazalea : December 28th, 2018-08:38
Bulova Precisionist Watch, only $200 delivered today with smooth sweeping hand due to 262000 MHz crystal. Said to keep time to a few seconds a year. Blue dial too! Buy one of these and youโ€™ll say โ€œI love that classy deadbeat Gronefeld with second hand tha...  

Mine is relatively spot on...

 
 By: KMII : December 28th, 2018-19:54
Went for the Accutron II Spaceview and in spite of it having the lower grade Precisionist movement due to the smaller case size its accuracy is amazing. Need to check but it was around 15 secs / 18 months or so.

But I donโ€™t want that bulova

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : December 28th, 2018-13:11
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LOL ๐Ÿ˜‚ [nt]

 
 By: KMII : December 28th, 2018-19:55

So that was the reason, Mike?

 
 By: KMII : December 28th, 2018-07:19
I supposed it was to differentiate the back then new, expensive and exciting technology (as quartz tended to be initially) but I guess the more mundane one is probably more correct, as always ๐Ÿ˜Š

Thatโ€™s a Grรถnefeld magic, I guess...

 
 By: KMII : December 28th, 2018-07:21
Not sure to what extent accuracy is affected in the end ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿปโ€โ™‚๏ธ

Itโ€™s personal, I guess...

 
 By: KMII : December 28th, 2018-07:17
So right for some and not for others ๐Ÿ˜Š And I fully agree that most people donโ€™t notice what youโ€™re wearing anyway. I guess with a dead seconds watch you reduce the chances of noticing from between slim and remote to almost nil. So possibly not very much. ... 

I believe, dear KMII, that you may be a bit obsessive on certain topics

 
 By: cazalea : December 28th, 2018-06:25
Like high frequency movements, deadbeat seconds... Like GLau on enameled dials, like Crown Comfort on GP, Bill on dive watches, Andrew on orange accents, like myself on various subjects... How did I start on categorizing GS watches, and my worst / best ex...  

Right you are, Mike ๐Ÿ˜Š

 
 By: KMII : December 28th, 2018-07:14
Thatโ€™s the beauty of sharing the passion with like minded people. Who knows what comes next - fortunately it takes some time to do, otherwise thereโ€™d be too many of those oddities ๐Ÿ˜‰ And one has to say, youโ€™ve been a shining example for us to follow in thi... 

Intriguing that you picked up on the Synchrobeat, K . . .

 
 By: Dr No : December 29th, 2018-19:04
. . . as it's one of the rarest and scarcest Omega chronometers. I believe they were issued contemporaneously with Rolex's Tru-Beat, around '53 or '54. The story is they were so unreliable that Norman Morris, the US agent, issued a recall. (That would exp... 

Itโ€™s a rare bird indeed, Art...

 
 By: KMII : December 29th, 2018-21:15
I believe the recall you mentioned led to very few remaining on the market. I have read somewhere that the grand total is 17 pieces but cannot verify that ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿปโ€โ™‚๏ธ The chances of bagging that one are certainly between slim and remote ๐Ÿ™

I regard the purported figure of seventeen examples . . .

 
 By: Dr No : December 29th, 2018-23:05
. . . in circulation as mythical. The population is likely in the two-figure range, but doubtful it can be nailed down that precisely. The contemporary ref 14311 chronometer (cal 352) was probably built in comparable numbers, but they pop up every now and... 

I fully understand you, Art

 
 By: KMII : December 30th, 2018-22:53
At this point itโ€™s unlikely one can pin it down with such precision. Letโ€™s call it the rarest of the lot and weโ€™ll certainly be right ๐Ÿ˜‰

Fantastic post!

 
 By: Bounce781 : December 29th, 2018-23:22
WELL DONE

Thanks a lot, Bounce781!

 
 By: KMII : December 30th, 2018-22:51
Glad you appreciate it and I hope itโ€™s helpful ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป

wonderful post

 
 By: tactictac : January 2nd, 2019-14:41
I chose the Lange model in Rue de la Paix Boutique... ...  

Hmmmm! That one! [nt]

 
 By: amanico : January 2nd, 2019-14:42

A fantastic choice, Tictictac!

 
 By: KMII : January 2nd, 2019-16:41
And glad if you found the post helpful ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป