4 Reasons for the disappearance of central minutes

May 23, 2023,22:10 PM
 

A. 4 concentric shafts is a greater challenge for the manufacture to machine
B. 4 hands one above the other increases the risk of hands touching each other
C. 4 in the center increases the thickness of the watch, but sub-dials do not
D. The Lemania 5100 was the popular choice of 4-hand movement

I also found this information from an article old (way back before 2000):

Nouvelle Lemania planned to end production of the 5100, a rugged but accurate calibre used mostly in military and space applications. The simplistic design of the 5100 no longer fitted the manufacturer’s product line and philosophy. The tools for the movement were outdated and in need of restoration. The investment couldn’t be justified by the limited sales to its 3 main customers: Fortis, Sinn, and Tutima (Omega, Orfina/Porsche Design, Paul Picot & Alain Silberstein also used a few 5100s each year).

Fortis, Sinn, and Tutima insisted on the continuation of the 5100 as it met their military requirements. The 5100 was the only chronograph movement able to withstand large shocks without its chrono seconds hand stopping, because its chronograph mechanism is driven directly (unlike most other chronographs which use an intermediate wheel). The calibre can withstand in excess of 7G without appreciable loss of accuracy. Its ruggedness is legendary; the calibre easily absorbs shocks and blows. The calibre also maintains its accuracy over long periods; service intervals at 4-7 years are sufficient.

One of the 5100’s weaknesses is its simple, archaic construction. Like a cheap alarm clock, it uses pillar construction. The cock and bridges are attached to the main plate by thin pillars. In a more modern design, the cock and bridges mount directly onto the main plate. Pillar construction reduces manufacturing cost since parts can be stamped as opposed to being milled. The designers also used nylon parts in the movement, which lowered production costs and was deemed to be progressive. The day and date wheels of the 5100 and their cams are nylon. On the periphery of the movement are two gray nylon half-moons that support the rotor and absorb shocks from the rotor in case of hard blows. This nylon “ring” around the movement conveniently hides the pillar construction from the viewer.

Ultimately, Lemania did not cease production of the 5100 in 1997. However, the wholesale price doubled from about 200 SFR to 400 SFR and it died in 2002-2004 or thereabouts.
 



Damasko's DC86 has 4 hands, and now uses an in-house modified movement, not a 5100.


Imagine the 4th hand on the diagram below (I can't be bothered to modify the drawing and add in that hand, unless you insist!)
     
Cazalea



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Reference 2598 … less frequently seen

 
 By: SingaporeMarc : May 23rd, 2023-19:31
Two less frequently seen Girard-Perregaux Cushion Case watches. 38 mm steel case. 30 pieces made of the black dial. 50 pieces made of the blue dial. Both made circa 2001 … so neo-vintage. Not bad for 20 year old watches.☺️ GP has not made any cushion case...  

Agree… GP would do well with them

 
 By: SingaporeMarc : May 24th, 2023-02:26
If they came out with a cushion case again.

Charming. I don’t know why the brands stopped making chronographs with central minutes hand. Such a useful way to help our aging eyes...

 
 By: aWtchslvr : May 23rd, 2023-20:26
Curiously today I read in other blog a review about the Damasko DC86. Kudos to them. ...  

4 Reasons for the disappearance of central minutes

 
 By: cazalea : May 23rd, 2023-22:10
A. 4 concentric shafts is a greater challenge for the manufacture to machine B. 4 hands one above the other increases the risk of hands touching each other C. 4 in the center increases the thickness of the watch, but sub-dials do not D. The Lemania 5100 w...  

Thanks for this.

 
 By: SingaporeMarc : May 24th, 2023-02:25
I’m going to read up more on this.

Yes no issues from my side,

 
 By: SingaporeMarc : May 24th, 2023-13:48
And between my brother and I, have have several variants of the 2598. Thickness is 13 mm. It’s stepped so, never felt it to be a thick watch either. The lugs taper to conform with the wrist. It’s quirky cool IMHO. I have yet to meet a person who didn’t li... 

Interesting about the central hands

 
 By: SingaporeMarc : May 24th, 2023-02:24
Chrono. Thanks for sharing.

Yes the first one in with the black dial

 
 By: SingaporeMarc : May 24th, 2023-02:28
Has so little online about it. It was a special edition for the Asian market only.

Thanks Bill☀️

 
 By: SingaporeMarc : May 25th, 2023-12:04

Whoa black dial is superb

 
 By: TeutonicCarFan : May 23rd, 2023-22:05
You must run the GP museum! Make cushions great again ...  

Would rather run a GP museum

 
 By: SingaporeMarc : May 24th, 2023-00:55
As opposed to a GP authorized dealer I like the rare ones. 😄

LOL!!!

 
 By: amanico : May 24th, 2023-05:46

Thanks G☀️

 
 By: SingaporeMarc : May 24th, 2023-11:23

Very, very nice pieces.

 
 By: Mr R : May 25th, 2023-13:40
From sizing to function and dial lay out… these are as good as it gets. Cheers x2!

Kind of you. Thank you.

 
 By: SingaporeMarc : May 25th, 2023-15:00