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Lankysudanese's original post unveils a captivating collaboration: a Laurent Ferrier timepiece bearing the mark of Phillips & Bacs & Russo. This discovery sparks a broader discussion within the community about the evolving landscape of brand collaborations, the definition of 'in-house' manufacturing, and the subjective nature of value in high horology. Hussam's initial findings prompt a deeper dive into what makes these partnerships significant for collectors and the industry.
Yes, your eyes aren’t playing mind tricks on you; it does say Laurent ferrier on the dial, and the caseback does say Phillips & Bacs & Russo
Source of photos: phillipsperpetual on IG
I welcome your comments, while I dig info on the case size and dial size etc
Hussam
Key Points from the Discussion
- The term 'handmade' in watchmaking is complex, with some independent watchmakers like Roger W. Smith reportedly integrating more machinery while still maintaining a high degree of customization and hand-finishing.
- While some collectors expect an 'in-house' movement at certain price points, the ultimate value often lies in a brand's distinctive design and finishing, as exemplified by Laurent Ferrier. Even brands like Richard Mille, despite high price points, have faced scrutiny for not being entirely in-house, though they are moving in that direction.
- The practice of watch brands collaborating with retailers, auction houses, and even prominent watch blogs is primarily a commercial strategy, aiming to generate revenue and engagement, with collectors often feeling they benefit from these exclusive editions.
- There's a distinction between collaborations that genuinely benefit collector clubs or communities and those perceived as purely commercial ventures, such as certain blog-driven releases, which some view as exploiting a 'cult-like' following.
- The 'in-house' debate is highly subjective; some revered independent watchmakers, like Dufour, utilize supplied movements but elevate them to exquisite levels through finishing, commanding high prices without complaint from collectors.
- Personal taste remains paramount in watch collecting, with some collectors preferring the aesthetic or complications of brands like Romain Gauthier over Laurent Ferrier, even while acknowledging the latter's beautiful movements.
- Historically, some independent brands faced criticism for being 'assemblage watch companies' rather than true manufacturers, yet many prominent independents operate similarly without widespread collector outcry, highlighting the subjective nature of these perceptions.
- Previous collaborations, such as the TimeZone EOT watch from 2004, demonstrate a long-standing tradition of unique partnerships in the watch industry.
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