Patek Philippe Grandmaster Chime Ref. 5175R-001: Exposing a Fake Listing
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Patek Philippe Grandmaster Chime Ref. 5175R-001: Exposing a Fake Listing

By cbb in honor of Chamnong Bhirombhakdi · Jul 9, 2020 · 38 replies
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In the luxury watch world, authenticity and trust are paramount. cbb's post highlights a critical issue where a dealer used unauthorized photos of their family's Patek Philippe Grandmaster Chime Ref. 5175R-001 for a fake listing. This incident serves as a stark reminder for collectors to remain vigilant against deceptive practices in the online watch market, especially concerning ultra-rare timepieces.

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Dear members,

Without permission, an unscrupulous dealer (Shanghai Yuezhi Trading Co., Ltd.) used my photo with my hand holding my late father’s Grandmaster Chime and listed it for sale on a well-known online watch platform ! This same photo was posted by me on this website on December 31st, 2019 as well.

Furthermore, when someone inquired about the listing, this fake seller again used the same photo in the reply.

Please let me clarify that my family and I had no knowledge of this FAKE listing & no affiliation with this dishonest dealer.  Additionally, this watch or any other Patek Philippe watches are our family heirloom pieces and will NOT be for sale.  We are very upset about this matter and wish to take the opportunity to clear any doubts that may arises.

Thank you for your kind attention !








This message has been edited by GLau on 2020-07-10 00:43:01

About the Patek Philippe Complications Ref. 5175

The Patek Philippe reference 5175 is a highly complex timepiece, distinguished by its intricate grand complications. This particular reference was part of a limited series, showcasing the pinnacle of the brand's horological artistry and technical prowess. It stands as a significant example within the Complications collection, representing a dedication to traditional watchmaking combined with advanced mechanical engineering. The model is notable for its unique combination of functions and the craftsmanship applied to its construction.

This reference features a substantial case crafted from 18k rose gold, housing a highly sophisticated manual-wind movement. The case dimensions are considerable, reflecting the complexity of the caliber it contains. A sapphire crystal protects the dial, allowing for clear visibility of the intricate indications. The movement itself is a testament to meticulous finishing and precise assembly, providing a substantial power reserve to support its numerous functions.

For collectors, the 5175 holds particular interest due to its grand complication status and limited production. It appeals to those seeking a watch that embodies both technical mastery and a high degree of exclusivity. The reference is a key piece for understanding the brand's capabilities in creating multi-complication timepieces, fitting into a lineage of highly regarded and technically advanced watches.

Specifications

Caliber
Caliber 300 GS AL 36-750 QIS FUS IRM
Case
18k rose gold
Diameter
47mm
Dial
Black
Water Resist.
30m
Crystal
Sapphire

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Patekfinity
Jul 9, 2020
Gosh...so sorry to see this is happening

This is beyond unbelievable! I hope C24 will step up and ban the seller. Can’t believe how they could even let the seller list the watch without verifying if information is real. I thought they ask for watch identification numbers to verify authenticity before letting sellers list the item. I hope C24 gets sued for this...

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patrick_y
Jul 9, 2020
Chrono 24 is just a bad platform.

They're in it for the money. Stolen watch? Sell it on our platform, as long as we can deny knowledge. That's why they have a policy of denying knowledge on everything so they don't have any liability. But if they don't have any liability, why do they charge a commission per sale? It's just a rotten system. And don't think auction houses are much better. Their experts don't check every watch neither. And if they claim they do, then some experts are intentionally letting bad watches through!

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Jurry
Jul 9, 2020
That’s called plausible deniability”

It’s what cheap people use

PA
patrick_y
Jul 9, 2020
You're right! That's the exact term.

There are so few good and ethical dealers out there. And the vintage world. Oh man! That's why I don't like buying vintage watches. I know I'm going to get some relumed or "force-aged" dial and it won't be disclosed.

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amanico
Jul 9, 2020
Sorry to read that, Madame. You should send them your lawyer. [nt]

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FRAMII
Jul 9, 2020
Thanks for informing us... I found it strange that this watch would ever be posted for sale. Good to see its fake and sorry to hear that they have used your photo in such a scam. [nt]

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