Patek Philippe 5970 Lugs Vintage Guide
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Patek Philippe 5970 Lugs Vintage Guide

By Watches_passion · Feb 24, 2024 · 28 replies
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Watches_passion, a dedicated Patek Philippe enthusiast, initiates a crucial discussion for collectors: discerning whether the lugs of a Patek Philippe Ref. 5970 have been polished. This inquiry is vital for preserving a watch's original integrity and value, especially for a reference as significant as the 5970. His detailed images prompt the community to share expert opinions and practical advice on evaluating case condition.

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Do you feel the lugs in the pictures below were polished? I know didficult from pictures, but if angyone has a point of view, i would appreciate it…











About the Patek Philippe Complications Ref. 5970

The Patek Philippe Complications reference 5970 is a specific iteration within the Complications model line. This reference is available in white metal, specifically platinum, and also in rose gold.

The case material for this reference can be platinum or rose gold. The collector notes a preference for platinum due to its weight, exclusivity, and durability.

This reference appeals to collectors who prefer white metals for dress watches, with platinum being a primary choice and rose gold a close second. Its availability in these materials positions it for those seeking specific precious metal options within the Complications collection.

Specifications

Caliber
R TO 27 PS QI
Case
Platinum
Diameter
41mm
Dial
Black
Water Resist.
30m
Crystal
Sapphire

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GL
GLau
Feb 24, 2024
For me, it is challenging to see from the photos. Did you see

scratches on the lugs at all ?

MB
mblum3
Feb 24, 2024
It is hard to tell.

I think I see some light hairlines on the lugs - second picture. I understand your concern. I used to collect coins and how do you grade a cleaned coin? They put on the grading label that it has been cleaned and how sharp the details are. The grade it would have been had it not been cleaned. At this level of watch, (or any level for me) polishing puts the piece in a different category. Just my opinion.

WA
Watches_passion
Feb 24, 2024
there are few scratches and i am very much fine with them...

i am trying to confirm the watch was never polished... i am paying for a non polished one... once polished, the value goes down significantly...

PE
penfriend
Feb 24, 2024
If no one can really judge on it for sure

It cannot lower the value imo. To me it looks fine and I wouldn’t bother

MB
mblum3
Feb 24, 2024
Yes, some light hairlines are not important.

I imagine you looked at the photos from amanico. Does the watch appear as sharp? I have learned that when in doubt, don't. I guess it is a sister statement to good things come to those who wait. If you do decide it's unpolished, enjoy!! How could you not?!

TE
TeutonicCarFan
Feb 24, 2024
Let me start with no knowledge here

I'm not sure how original or how to determine. However, looking at the pictures, the angles on the lugs look sharp to me. To me that is a good sign of not being polished, ie, using an abrasive wheel to smooth down defects. There even are slight scratches on the lugs. I will say, to me that is polishing, but I don't know anything of vintage watches. Now, did someone ever take a cape cod clith by hand to buff some hairlines... probably will never know. I'm sure pursits would then say it was polish

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