Panerai 47mm Luminor: Historical Accuracy Debate
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Panerai 47mm Luminor: Historical Accuracy Debate

By amanico · Jul 6, 2008 · 39 replies
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Amanico's insightful post critically examines the historical accuracy of Panerai's 47mm Luminor models, specifically the PAM 127, 217, and 203. This detailed discussion, enriched with comparative images, provides collectors with a nuanced understanding of how modern re-editions diverge from their vintage inspirations. Amanico challenges the brand's marketing by dissecting movement choices and dial inscriptions, offering a valuable perspective for discerning enthusiasts.

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We recently had a discussion about the 127, this Luminor Marina in 47mm...

Basically there are only 3 47mm Luminor Marina:

The 127:





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The 217:

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The movement of these 2 Panerai Watches is exactly the same, an ETA, which don't have the same decoration, but this is strictly the same...

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And the special Pam 203:

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Special because this watch has an interesting movement, the Angelus 8 Dayssad Credit pic: Asi ).

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All the 3 watches are related to the History of Panerai, but with some reserves...

The 127 and 217 don't have the right movement.

Here's the one and only one correct movement for these watches: ( Credit pic: Ralf..Thanks, my friend!).

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An Angelus one, as the Angelus was housed on any Luminor equipped with a small second at 9...

If the 127 and 217 were bases, I mean without small seconds, this ETA would have been a correct choice, as very close, esthetically speaking, to the Rolex Cortebert which equipped the 6152, and 6152/1.

In these 127/ 217, the finest choice should have been a Manifattura movement, closer to the angelus than the ETA.

Now that you saw the Vintage Angelus, here's the watch:

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And, while you see this pic, you see another problem...

On All the 6152 equipped with an Angleus movement, you'll never see on the dial the writing " Otto Giorni brevettato", never!

This writing was only to be seen on the Egiptiano 2/ 56:

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So, now you know the answer:

On the 127 / 217, the dial and the case are good, but the design of the movement not, nor the power reserve.

On the 203, the case and the movement are good, but not the writing on the dial which is a confusion with the GPF 2/56 so called Egitiano.

So, it remains one question: Why Panerai didn't do the right things on these 3 watches, which have a strong link with the History of the Brand???

Hope you'll enjoy this quick discussion.

Best.
Nicolas

PS: Sorry for the credit of the other pics, but really don't know who to credit, so please let me know, if you're the author of these pics. I will of course immediately credit you.

Pic Nr 1 to be credited to SCL...Thanks a lot, Mate.

Pic Nr 2 to be credited to William LOI.Thanks, too!

This message has been edited by AnthonyTsai on 2008-07-09 06:14:28

About the Panerai Pre Vendome Ref. 6152

The Panerai Pre Vendome 6152 is a significant reference within the brand's history, representing a period before Panerai's wider commercial availability. These watches are characterized by their robust construction and design elements that predate the modern Panerai aesthetic. The 6152 series is particularly noted for its case architecture, which served as a foundational design for later models. This reference appeals to collectors interested in the early evolution of Panerai's wristwatches.

This reference typically features a substantial case, often made of stainless steel, designed for durability. The movement housed within these watches is generally a manually wound caliber, providing a power reserve consistent with the technology of its era. The crystal protecting the dial is commonly plexiglass, a material prevalent in watches of this period, contributing to its vintage character. The case dimensions are notably large, a hallmark of Panerai's historical designs.

For collectors, the Panerai 6152 holds importance as a piece of the brand's pre-Vendome lineage. Its scarcity and historical context make it a sought-after item for those who appreciate the origins of the Panerai identity. The watch's design cues offer a direct link to the brand's functional roots, distinguishing it from later, more commercially oriented releases. Variants within this series may exist, reflecting the production methods of the time.

Specifications

Caliber
Rolex 618
Case
Stainless steel
Diameter
47mm
Dial
Black
Water Resist.
50m
Crystal
Plexiglass

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patrickh
Jul 6, 2008
Thanks Nicolas for this critical analysis,

I am sure than many purists will appreciate this discussion on Panerai 's historical roots. I also hope Mr BONATI will read it and propose the REAL historical Edidion we are waiting for. Great pics as usual. Cheers, Patrickh

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amanico
Jul 6, 2008
Thanks, Patrickh

Would like to see a coherent 47mm, without too many writings, and a movement which corresponds at least esthetically, and if horologically, it will be better! Let's see, I'm not too confident, but let's see... Best. Nicolas

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renerod
Sep 28, 2011
Ha ha!

My friend! You really know how to keep the suspense!!! Like a good old horror movie C'mon, bring it on! Best. RenΓ©

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amanico
Sep 28, 2011
Well, since June 2008, this watch arrived...

The 372... Even if its movement is a bit too far from the Rolex cortebert. But aesthetically speaking, it fits the bill! Best, Hermano. Nicolas.

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Ares501 - Mr Green
Jul 6, 2008
Why I think because

they will do it in one of following SE with beautiful price tag Damjan

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amanico
Jul 6, 2008
ROFL, Damian

Dreaming is good! Hope all is good for you, and that the child lets you sleep! LOL Best. Nicolas

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