Hi Marcello

Jun 12, 2010,22:56 PM

These models here are pretty small.
The current Santos Dumont here pictured in the middle, in pink gold is 44.5 x 35.9
and the Santos Dumont Squelette, SJX posted is about that same size.

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Santos Dumont role in the history of watchmaking

 By: marcelo : June 7th, 2010-06:40
Some people, especially in Brazil, think Santos Dumont co-invented the wristwatch with Louis Cartier. We know it’s not true, but according to Paul Hoffman, author of Wings of Madness – AFAIK the most comprehensive biography of Santos Dumont – he “…may hav... 

Some thoughts

 By: SJX : June 7th, 2010-08:02
Hi Marcelo, Interesting question. It is probably a little inaccurate to characterise Santos Dumont as the first civilian wristwatch wearer. Ladies did wear wristwatches in the late 19th century, both Patek and GP boast of having made wristwatches in that ... 

Thanks for the reply, SJX!

 By: marcelo : June 7th, 2010-09:19
Nice insights, especially on the WWI. In fact Paul Hoffman says exactly what you did about ladies wearing wristwatches in the late 19 th century and that the militaries were the first men to wear them. According to Hoffman the German commanders used them ... 

Personally, I am not so sure that Santos really boosted the wristwatch ....

 By: Marcus Hanke : June 7th, 2010-12:49
.... since I assume that he did not wear this watch when being handed over from one distinguished salon and evening society to the next. Most certainly, he wore a conventional pocket watch then. Newspaper photography was an innovation not widespread, sinc... 

Makes a lot of sense, Marcus.

 By: marcelo : June 7th, 2010-13:00
You raised interesting points, like the pictures, that really do not portray Santos Dumont wearing a wristwatch. Thank you! Marcelo

I sincerely hope I did not kill a discussion that has potential ....

 By: Marcus Hanke : June 7th, 2010-23:32
... since for me, the connection between Cartier and THE first pilot watch is still not known well enough with the majority of people interested in watches. Regards, Marcus This message has been edited by Marcus Hanke on 2010-06-07 23:33:06

Absolutely not, Marcus.

 By: marcelo : June 8th, 2010-07:14
The points you raised were really interesting Marcelo

Excellent point

 By: Martin Green : June 8th, 2010-02:39
Both World Wars probably did more for the upcomming of the wristwatch then Santos Dumont, but like you already pointed out I think that the fact that Santos Dumont wore a wristwatch in itself is the most significant fact. That makes the Santos indeed the ... 

I disagree

 By: SJX : June 8th, 2010-08:07
I do not disagree with your conclusion, which is plausible, but rather with the reasons. I do not know Santos Dumont well enough, perhaps the biography Marcelo mentions would indicate, to say for certain if he wore his wristwatch on the ground. Because it... 

Some facts about Cartier and early wristwatches

 By: SJX : June 8th, 2010-08:00
Hi Marcelo, As I wrote in my earlier post, wristwatches in the late 19th century were predominantly for ladies as jewellery, rather than functional objects. The first ever Cartier wristwatch dates to 1888 and it was a ladies' watch on a bracelet. Santos D... 

And an additional interesting point of information...

 By: SJX : June 9th, 2010-00:40
The Santos Dumont was the first wristwatch with integrated lugs. Other early wristwatches were often pocket watches with wire lugs soldered on or in some sort of leather wrist bracelet as below. Credit: National Maritime Museum, UK Thanks for Mehdi Sqalli...  

Very nice!

 By: Martin Green : June 9th, 2010-00:50
From when dates this Pocket-Wristwatch? Martin

Mid 1880s. [nt]

 By: SJX : June 9th, 2010-00:53

Thank you... ::))

 By: MiniCooper : June 10th, 2010-12:24

Sorry for not commenting your post before, SJX...

 By: marcelo : June 10th, 2010-18:38
And thanks for bringing info directly from Cartier. Nice to have the confirmation that Santos Dumont’s watch was the first made for a civilian user. I want to thank you and the others who replied, helping to make this post and Editor’s Pick. R... 

Three Santos Dumont models to illustrate the topic

 By: Geo : June 12th, 2010-03:05
Over the years there have been quite a few variations of the Santos Dumont watch. An IMHO stunning version was the platinum model, from 1997, with salmon dial and Breguet hands, created in a limited edition of 90 pieces, for the 90th anniversary of the Sa...  

Great comparison Geo

 By: SJX : June 12th, 2010-09:51
and here are some photos of the Santos Dumont skeleton. - SJX...  

Nice illustration, Geo.

 By: marcelo : June 12th, 2010-15:43
I'm not a fan of big watches, but the pink gold is really beautiful. Marcelo

Hi Marcello

 By: Geo : June 12th, 2010-22:56
These models here are pretty small. The current Santos Dumont here pictured in the middle, in pink gold is 44.5 x 35.9 and the Santos Dumont Squelette, SJX posted is about that same size. GEO

I meant it was big compared to the other pictured over the scale, Geo.

 By: marcelo : June 13th, 2010-13:35
But I think 44.5 x 35.9 would feel quite right on my wrist Regards, Mar celo

Breathtakingly beautiful!

 By: Martin Green : June 14th, 2010-00:00
Excellent picture as always Geo! Beautiful trio! Martin