This vintage Blancpain model is under 500 USD, is it legit?

Apr 28, 2021,05:24 AM

So, I came across an auction and found this:

The seller does not seem to know whether it is original, or whether the parts are still original.

The movement looks like from AS 2063 family used by Blancpain for their early Fifty Fathoms but lacks of date complication (so, 2062?). This is the 25 jewels version.

All it says on the silver dial are "BLANCPAIN Since 1735" and "SWISS MADE" with thick font, with no other information regarding the model displayed.

I've tried to search this vintage model on Google but come with no similar results nor clue, even Villeret model still looks way different.

Here are the pics, for USD 500, will it worth it?

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Not a Blancpain expert, but...

 By: mdg : April 28th, 2021-05:28
...the movement looks very crude...

Based on the movement...

 By: Galang4397 : April 28th, 2021-06:08
So, do you also think the "BLANCPAIN" on the pendulum is not "factory"-grade? Like the whole movement is a vanilla AS 2062 and then someone engrave "BLANCPAIN" "RAYVILLE S.A." "25 Jewels" by himself on it?

Like I said...not an expert...

 By: mdg : April 28th, 2021-14:12
...and maybe Blancpain movement were actually that crude. There appears to be zero attempts at finishing the movement but maybe that was their style then.

Movement is missing screws, words on the dial, caseback looks laser engraved

 By: CastorKrieg : April 28th, 2021-06:18
Also the font on the dial is completely different and badly positioned. Watch is 100% fake.


 By: dedestexhes : April 28th, 2021-06:26

Oh my the dial

 By: Galang4397 : April 28th, 2021-06:44
Good observation, I just noticed that font. The font of "Since 1735" is different with the one that is used on Cyclotrone and Villeret.

I would stay away

 By: VinnieD : April 28th, 2021-07:03
The logo font does not match the vintage: that logo is probably 20-30 years younger

There's more about the logo

 By: Galang4397 : April 29th, 2021-07:36
If you are talking about the logo on the dial, I think you are right since vintage models (70s-80s according to the case shape and dial) did not use that serif font. Also, in this newer, serif version of the logo, the letters "B" and "N" should be printed...  


 By: Galang4397 : April 29th, 2021-08:23
It makes more sense now. Redone dial is a whole 'nother story for me.

Now, that is a hot take!

 By: Galang4397 : April 29th, 2021-07:41
There is one guy on WatchUSeek that says if this is a genuine Blancpain. However, this is not the modern Blancpain (in Le Brassus). Instead, this watch is from the old Blancpain (in Villeret - hence the "Rayville"). Now I really want to know how much "Ray... 

fwiw, what gets me is "SWISS MADE"

 By: jiggerly-cool : April 28th, 2021-09:25
i'm no expert so won't comment on the branding. however, the way the origin is typeset and its positioning look too sketchy to be authentic

Possibly a redial?

 By: Galang4397 : April 29th, 2021-07:45
Unfortunately, I don't have any clearer, zoomed-in image that shows the print quality on the dial. I had tried to ask the seller but he simply reposted the same image but cropped lol.

I have have my doubts

 By: fifty fathoms : April 28th, 2021-12:14
Here you can see the quality of old Blancpain watches and the engravings. Credit by Chrono24 ...  

Well, we also have that...

 By: amanico : April 28th, 2021-14:50

Is this one a hacking movement?

 By: fifty fathoms : April 28th, 2021-15:48

Thank you

 By: fifty fathoms : April 28th, 2021-19:09
My milspec I has a R. 570 as well. Hopefully I will get it back from the vintage studio end of the next month.

The conclusion is...

 By: Galang4397 : April 29th, 2021-07:47
So, you both think this is too far from having the Blancpain quality engravings, hence not legit?

Deal too good

 By: Jurry : April 28th, 2021-14:49
Typically when a deal sounds too good to be true, it generally isn’t true. In this case at face value it may seem all ok but the dial and hands are (in my humble view) definitely not ok. 500 bucks is not much, but too much to throw away.

I think it is more than "good" to be true

 By: Galang4397 : April 29th, 2021-07:52
In fact, the last bid on the auction for this watch is ~USD 104 (IDR 1.500.000). There is "Buy It Now" option for ~USD 173 (IDR 2.500.000). The auction will be closed in 5 hours. For this kind of quality (that we can only perceive visually) is this still ... 

Movement does look rather spartan

 By: amg786w : April 29th, 2021-20:07
and that 'Since 1735' font does not seem to match the watch. Looks like a modern typeface.