Yeah, markup + msrp becomes the price. Avg sold price new would be fascinating, 1948 is alot of cars and also not nearly enough :)

Jun 29, 2022,17:55 PM
 

Aside from the 918 owners (maybe 2/3 still in VIP program?) I do think there are a decent number of dealer VIPs / collectors / dealer family that received cars at MSRP, like the guy I know who got two of them, and then you have ROW dealers which depending on the country only sell at msrp. I would guess more than half are going to VIPs at msrp so it's really not that many cars available to the average buyer which is why they can get such high markups.

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Enough waiting, more doing..

 
 By: jp884 : June 29th, 2022-04:34
I have to admit I was little hurt that I was not allocated a speedster but I’m realistic I know the demand far outweighed the supply and they were reserved for the VIP and 918 owners. For the last 3 years I would just keep seeing them online but couldn’t ...  

Big congratulations on a lovely Speedster!

 
 By: Clueless_Collector : June 29th, 2022-05:00
I guess the love and beauty outweighs the canvas in our weather? My inexperience with soft top is limiting my options in our area where it rains half the year and the many bird treasures raining from the sky 😅. I hope the GT3RS did not get sacrificed for ... 

To my surprise the rag top didn’t make a peep on the freeway.

 
 By: jp884 : June 29th, 2022-05:17
I was doing 100mph and it felt like a coupe. The car is perfection. I plan to drive it only in the summer months with the top down. Unfortunately, the RS went to make room for this but I have a 992 RS allocation so it won’t be long before I add a bigger b... 

It looks excellent in that trim.

 
 By: InHavenPro : June 29th, 2022-05:03
Do tell me, not being a Porsche fanatic myself, what is it exactly that elevates the Speedster, in any context, from its more 'traditional' 911 siblings?? Thanks for the pics, it's lovely to see your daughter so overjoyed with it . Cheers, Filip

The speedster usually is the last of the line in a chassis.

 
 By: jp884 : June 29th, 2022-05:21
So they come every 10-12 years and extremely limited, highly sought after and reserved for the VIPs. It’s a more refined GT3 with individual throttle bodies like the RSR. It’s heaven in a six speed. I just kept seeing them climb in prices and I was like i... 

Now, that makes total sense :))

 
 By: InHavenPro : June 29th, 2022-05:29
Much appreciate the info which provides the necessary context!! Best of luck with it!

So the alternative to being allocated one is to purchase from a dealer?

 
 By: ArmisT : June 29th, 2022-07:28
I’m not sure how this process works. Are those from dealers preowned, or just have a higher premium? Thanks.

It's kinda like watches, the dealers can allocate you a new car but it isn't easy :)

 
 By: Fastwong : June 29th, 2022-13:37
Porsche had a VIP program so those legacy customers get first dibs @ MSRP. Whatever cars are left of a limited run like this one go to everyone else but of course everyone else means the preferred customers at the dealer level, preferred being huge spend ... 

Correct, although the new mark up and the used mark up are still within the same range.

 
 By: jp884 : June 29th, 2022-17:17
Arguably the used mark up tends to be higher because many of us peons weren't knighted in order to be given a chance to buy new. I honestly think very few of these went for MSRP unless you were a 918 owner so true MSRP is an open question? There is MSRP a... 

Yeah, markup + msrp becomes the price. Avg sold price new would be fascinating, 1948 is alot of cars and also not nearly enough :)

 
 By: Fastwong : June 29th, 2022-17:55
Aside from the 918 owners (maybe 2/3 still in VIP program?) I do think there are a decent number of dealer VIPs / collectors / dealer family that received cars at MSRP, like the guy I know who got two of them, and then you have ROW dealers which depending... 

Back in 2014 I had the opprotunity to buy the 997 speedster in blue that actually belonged to Ichiro (professional baseball player)

 
 By: jp884 : June 29th, 2022-18:10
I believe I could have bought it for $130k and was going to but it wouldn't fit in my garage at the house I owned at the time. The driveway was too steep and that is not a car that you leave out on the street. I had to reluctantly drive it back to the dea... 

Thank you both for sharing those insights and experiences.

 
 By: ArmisT : June 29th, 2022-21:54
It is intriguing to learn about this level of ‘competition’ (for lack of a better characterization) that I thought was just reserved for select vintage models. But now learning this, I am that much more happier to see you were able to make this one happen... 

Thanks buddy.

 
 By: jp884 : June 29th, 2022-06:22
Same number, except one out and one in. But figured if I’m getting the 992 RS it’s a bit redundant to keep the 991 RS. Plus garage space is limited. I’ll have to break the rules and get a booster for my baby girl and drive around the neighborhood, at low ... 

Yea summers will be special mon ami👍

 
 By: jp884 : June 29th, 2022-06:30
I have to credit my Dad on this one he was with me at the dealership and was like it’s now or never son. When I was being a little hesitant.

How true he is... Alas.

 
 By: amanico : June 29th, 2022-07:52

Thank you.

 
 By: jp884 : June 29th, 2022-16:52

That is a huge addition

 
 By: penfriend : June 29th, 2022-07:13
Fully understand your emotions even though the Speedster (having owned 911 since the early 90ies) has never appealed to me compared to the classic shape of the 911. I am sure this will be a long-term keeper for you, no matter what the future of 911s will ... 

Different strokes for different folks.

 
 By: jp884 : June 29th, 2022-16:53
The air cooled vs water cooled debate is like talking about religion and politics to Porsche guys

no that was not my point

 
 By: penfriend : June 29th, 2022-17:48
does not matter whether air or water but the Speedster never appealed to me in any kind of engine. on the other debate I actually belong to the air cooled fraction but not on a religious level ;-) they are just more go-cart-like but I sold all anyways

There are cabriolet guys and coupe guys.

 
 By: jp884 : June 29th, 2022-18:04
I'm more of a coupe guy, actually don't really like cabriolet's. That being said the speedsters have always been special and I have always seen them in a favorable light from the 356 to current model. The humpback look is so appealing to me. I'm curious s... 

At first I moved over to 8 and 10 cylinders

 
 By: penfriend : June 29th, 2022-18:27
with R8 and Huracan, accompanied by a BMW Z1. Now I am back to the go-cart-roots owning as sports cars two Alfa 4C. A coupe for the track (890kg with 300 hp) and a spider for trips with my wife and as a daily driver ...  

Thank you

 
 By: jp884 : June 29th, 2022-16:54

Those happy smiles make it all worth it…

 
 By: ArmisT : June 29th, 2022-07:22
plus the fact that it really is a beautiful car. Congratulations to you and your daughter 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Superb car. Enjoy!

 
 By: aris d : June 29th, 2022-07:40

Thank You!

 
 By: jp884 : June 29th, 2022-16:54

A rare bird

 
 By: Arronax : June 29th, 2022-08:44
Would be very much at the top of my wishlist if I could. Been looking at the 981 gts vs the 4 liter but feel like the 3.4 is over-priced for what is now an old car, although they sound better than the 4 liter.

What is not overpriced these days? A standard build on a 992 GT3 has a mark up of $100k

 
 By: jp884 : June 29th, 2022-16:55
Figured if I'm paying a ridiculous mark up it's going to be for a numbered car.

Haa, thank you.

 
 By: jp884 : June 29th, 2022-16:56

Take that back, pronto! I don't want her to grow up, I want her to stay 6 years old forever..

 
 By: jp884 : June 29th, 2022-18:14
Thinking of her growing up and being 18 saddens me and brings a tear to my eye.

++++++1

 
 By: ArmisT : June 30th, 2022-15:02

Beautiful car!

 
 By: MiguelFlash : June 29th, 2022-12:17
And surely a rare bird. There is a reason why the Porsche 911 is iconic. Tremendous build quality, performance and practicality for what it is.

Thank you, yes they are a rare breed and being individually numbered increases the rarity.

 
 By: jp884 : June 29th, 2022-17:00
But I don't have collectible cars I use everything I buy. Although, I don't see myself putting more than 3k miles on it a year. Just because I'm only driving it in the summer with the top down. And the kids always have something going on, on the weekends.... 

Congrats, Jorge.

 
 By: Champthekid : June 29th, 2022-14:28
What a beauty!

Right up there with my favorite Porsches...

 
 By: mdg : June 29th, 2022-15:16
...is it quiet enough at freeway speeds to be a comfortable road-trip car? I'm thinking 200 miles in a day...cruise to Napa Valley, etc. The only negative I read in reviews about 911s in particular is they can be very noisy inside (tires) over less than p... 

Agreed, the premium was maddening!

 
 By: patrick_y : June 29th, 2022-16:10
But what a nice machine. Congrats! Is the color Chalk?

Ahh! Big congrats to you!

 
 By: patrick_y : June 29th, 2022-18:05
I'd be happy with the GT3 (similar engine). But the best Speedster body with the best engine can be an irresistible combination for some!

Yea engine hasn’t even been fully expressed yet.

 
 By: jp884 : June 30th, 2022-14:43
Waiting for sunny days to drop the top and go for a drive. Correct, the top is all manual in the center council you press a button to release the side flaps and center flap and pop the trunk lid. Then you have to open up the lid manually and push the top ... 

Her are some top down pics..

 
 By: jp884 : July 5th, 2022-00:39
I took before my wife had all three children on her lap for a spin around the block😉 ...  

👍🙏😉

 
 By: jp884 : July 5th, 2022-05:16

A marvel!

 
 By: amanico : July 5th, 2022-06:13