400 Euros is a fair price...

Aug 11, 2022,23:26 PM
 

Here, the annual service on a Mercedes can vary. They have odd number years and even number years. Odd number years; 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 are generally not too bad. It's mainly an oil change and a quick inspection. The dealers charge around $300 US Dollars for this, plus taxes on the parts (we don't pay VAT on the labor in most states in USA). However! They may find things in the inspection that need to be addressed. Here's where there is a lot of discretion. A technician can say they find very minor oil seepage and say there's a massive oil leak. For instance, the M112 (320 engine), M113 (430 and 500 engine) M113K AMG (55-AMG Supercharged) engine is known to have very minor oil seepage on the top of the engine. It never turns out to a leak, but you can see a small amount of oil dust on the valve cover gasket. Most service writers will point this out and say that you need new valve cover gaskets. Technicians will point this out too, since this is a job that has a large amount of "book hours" but most technicians can do this much faster than the book hours. So the technician gets to charge several book hours, yet finish it all in about 1.5 to 2 hours. My service advisor, a veteran at the Mercedes dealer, and someone I've been working with for 20 years, has told me to look carefully at the leak. He says, notice there's oil dust just above and just below the valve cover gasket. He said if it were truly leaking, you'd see oil dust dripping all the way down the engine due to gravity, but seeing the 5mm up above the gasket and 5mm below the gasket just means minor seepage. But if there was 10mm up seepage, and 30mm down seepage, that'd probably indicate a more significant leak.
Back to scheduled service; Even number years vary tremendously; some even number years have transmission fluid changes, rear differential fluid changes, the hydraulic oil, and sometimes more in addition to a standard oil change and a standard brake fluid change. So an Even Number year service is always arround $500 for oil change, brake fluid change, and a more thorough inspection; plus whatever else needs to be done on those years.
Brakes on the cars can also be expensive. Fortunately, my brakes on my Mercedes aren't the more expensive ones. Some AMG vehicles have these special brake rotors with floating discs. Meaning that the heat of the rotor doesn't transfer to the wheel hub. Thus, allowing the disc to expand and contract due to heat without warping the entire disc hub. Thus, it's made in two main pieces with multiple metal pins holding it all together. Mine is all made in one piece, which is cheaper. And perfectly appropriate for an AMG sedan that will see the Autobahn but never see a racetrack. But sometimes, they put these kinds of crazy discs on an S-Class AMG. And I sometimes just wonder... There's never going to be a situation where an S-Class AMG is ever going to need that. Even if the car were to drive on the Autobahn and accelerate extremely aggressively and slam on the brakes aggressively, then repeat that multiple times, will the brakes ever need that. So I find that this is a case of overkill, which leads to no benefit, and to higher servicing costs. But, on a sporty car that will drive through mountain roads or on a racetrack, those two-piece brakes can be more justified.


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What a beast!

 
 By: Arronax : August 9th, 2022-10:25
Very sexy in person and quite compact, it really looks like the gt3rs and the gt4 had a baby Love the color too which is a great match for the black and carbon accents: ...  

One good looking bad boy!

 
 By: Chronometer (aka yacomino) : August 9th, 2022-11:25

Epic car

 
 By: TeutonicCarFan : August 9th, 2022-11:30
Perfect for track work.

Couldn't agree more

 
 By: Arronax : August 9th, 2022-11:37
In that way more extreme than the GT3 which is the better road car (quite a statement!).

Love the color scheme!

 
 By: MichaelC : August 9th, 2022-13:13
Congratulations!

Not mine just at the showroom

 
 By: Arronax : August 9th, 2022-13:32
My pick of the line-up is the boxster gts 4.0 though, a real bargain at half the price of a gt4rs..

How powerful is it?

 
 By: amanico : August 9th, 2022-13:25

500 bhp

 
 By: Arronax : August 9th, 2022-13:30
German horses, the best thing second to Italian cavalli ;-)

LOL! Impressive!

 
 By: amanico : August 9th, 2022-13:39

Good to know!

 
 By: amanico : August 9th, 2022-20:46

My Greenie says hi

 
 By: Hororgasm : August 9th, 2022-18:27
Was my birthday prezzie last year, manual, with "club sports" pack. Car is fun in old school way, but absolutely slower then most rides out there. Even a PDK 992 C2S will be faster at the get go, but if a certain analogue feeling is what u crave, this is ...  

Wonderful!

 
 By: amanico : August 9th, 2022-20:47

That is a gorgeous machine!

 
 By: patrick_y : August 10th, 2022-17:45

Porsche has gone crazy...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 9th, 2022-22:21
Porsche has gone crazy with their pricing structure. Here in Silicon Valley, people think of Porsches as a great value. But the Porsche dealers here fleece owners with insane servicing costs. Mainly because owners here have no idea what to expect and are ... 

They literally charge you what they want to charge you...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 10th, 2022-17:44
In America, the rule is that they're supposed to charge you for parts and for the regular number of labor-hours that job usually entails. A "Master Book" lists all of the typical services and the number of hours those services are supposed to be billed fo... 

Wow, that is nuts! Sounds like Greubel service pricing :P

 
 By: Fastwong : August 11th, 2022-02:09
I haven't paid for a service at a dealership in years, I remember it being bad but this sounds like it's really gotten out of control. That said, I have gotten some freebies from the dealers I've had car trouble away from home a couple times, once in Mont... 

Maybe that will come.

 
 By: amanico : August 11th, 2022-20:20

Huge risk for Alpine and their parent company...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 11th, 2022-23:31
We have a number of Nissan dealerships in USA. Maybe they'll bring Alpine franchises to Nissan dealerships. But most Nissan dealerships will think twice. The cost to train a service staff to know how to work on the vehicle is costly. And if there's not en... 

Alas, there is no Renault representation in USA...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 12th, 2022-05:59
We don't really have French cars in the USA. No Renault. No Peugot. Only French brand that has dealerships in USA is Bugatti which is from Franco-German Alsace region (and Bugatti himself was mostly Italian).

More options is usually a good thing for the consumer!

 
 By: patrick_y : August 12th, 2022-06:11
I just want them to open a Pierre Herme here. That's all I ask! And some nice baguettes and flaky croissants. The Eric Kayser here in USA doesn't taste the same as in Paris. When I fly to Greece, I bring back my favorite olive oil. Thankfully now, I can g... 

Always beware those people with planes...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 11th, 2022-23:28
Some people have expensive habits. Gambling, drinking, drugs, planes, and watches. Always be afraid if you're doing business with them! I'm saying that mostly as a joke. It's always a fine balance at a Porsche dealership. It's human nature to try to be he... 

400 Euros is a fair price...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 11th, 2022-23:26
Here, the annual service on a Mercedes can vary. They have odd number years and even number years. Odd number years; 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 are generally not too bad. It's mainly an oil change and a quick inspection. The dealers charge around $300 US Dolla... 

Yes, quite fair.

 
 By: amanico : August 12th, 2022-04:58

Porsche is showing us what would have happened to Rolex if they increased pricing massively to match demand.

 
 By: Fastwong : August 10th, 2022-01:25
Porsche WAS a decent value just like Rolex was at MSRP, they both occupied this nice niche that was a premium to everything else in their class and also a great deal less then the next step up. Instead of keeping price increases relatively small like Role... 

That's what I was thinking...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 10th, 2022-18:18
The Lamborghini Huracan genuinely drives like a special machine (even though it is admittedly 20% an Audi R8). There's so much more emotion than the Porsche. And the Porsche is a technically brilliant car. Just brilliant. But the Lamborghini for only a $5... 

In Germany the share of full paid Porsche (new cars) is about 10%

 
 By: penfriend : August 10th, 2022-10:26
the rest is paid in any kind of finance/leasing arrangements - very different to other brands. So being a Porsche owner in its true sense applies to only a small minority of drivers over here. I turned my back to the brand in 2010 after nearly 20 years of... 

I don't know in USA, but we are heavily financed...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 10th, 2022-17:57
USA built the whole concept of mass credit adoption. So it's only natural. Americans buy everything on credit. And have some of the highest credit card debts in the world. The average car loan is now around 69 months!!! 69! that's nearly 6 years!!! People... 

What's crazy too is that the average sale price of a car in the US is nearing $50k, about the same as average annual income. I don't know how people afford that 🙄

 
 By: Fastwong : August 10th, 2022-22:28
If you've been watching the news on the car market, it's a lot like the Rolex market, just a little behind since cars aren't so liquid and there's more finance and repo adding to the time lag. The car bubble is about to pop too, hoping for a good deal on ... 

Yup! They say a new car in USA now costs on average $49,000 USD before tax, finance charges, and registration!

 
 By: patrick_y : August 11th, 2022-23:39
$49,000! That used to be a Mercedes E Class (low options and a small discount) money in USA! Special insight: Dodge and Chrysler vehicle owners are often of a demographic with more varied credit ratings. Which suggests that your chance of getting a good d...