Oh yes! And a takeover would have to be done at a much higher share price!

May 26, 2020,22:19 PM
 

But it's just something that I'm wondering, if I were Geely/Daimler, I might think it would be worth it to start owning Aston Martin if it could be bought so reasonably. 

Imagine how many Mercedes-Benz dealerships there are.  If some of those dealerships consider an Aston Martin franchise, then it could make Aston Martin volume increase significantly.  Furthermore, Aston Martin would become a full fledged partner within the Daimler product portfolio so their cars would benefit from the excellent R&D resources Daimler has.  They could produce a car with better economies of scale.  They could get an even better product out at an even lower cost, an even more efficient distribution network, a legion of dealers, a greater clientele base, and therefore enjoy a higher profit margin.  

Definitely a win win win is possible. 

But nobody wants to spend the money right now for a takeover.  And a takeover would have to be done at a much higher share price than the current price.  And there are big investors who may try to block the takeover.  Again, I'm not an expert in mergers/acquisitions, but I do know a tiny bit about the car industry.  It'd be possible if there was the financing available. 


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Financial Trouble for UK Car Makers?

 
 By: Ted-Lo : May 26th, 2020-14:44
I hear McLaren is going to lay-off and/or furlough around 1200 people, or 25% of their work force. I don’t hear good news for Aston either. Are you guys hearing similar things? The Pandemic’s effects may have taken a larger than expected hit to some car m...  

I hope not

 
 By: TeutonicCarFan : May 26th, 2020-14:50
mclaren the only fresh challenge to ferrari and lambo in recent times. Sadly early ones broke often and they all depreciate like crazy. My neighbor down the street just got a white one, very exotic.

Well, not that I am hoping for it,

 
 By: Ted-Lo : May 26th, 2020-15:06
If they do go under, I think “all” McLarens will go up in value. Again, not that I am hoping for it.

Whatabout Pagani [nt]

 
 By: Gelato Monster : May 26th, 2020-22:14

This is simply a reflection of the difficult times that we are living in...

 
 By: Cpt Scarlet : May 26th, 2020-16:00
McLaren are just responding to a global downturn for luxury sports cars. Aston Martin is a more complex problem, but the share price rose sharply today as a new CEO from AMG was appointed.

True..

 
 By: Ted-Lo : May 26th, 2020-16:08
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The DBX ...

 
 By: Cpt Scarlet : May 27th, 2020-02:13
This is the next chapter for AM ...  

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 By: Tim_M : May 26th, 2020-17:34
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Yes, I just read about Aston’s

 
 By: Ted-Lo : May 26th, 2020-17:48
continued financial problems even before the pandemic. Like how they only turned a profit one year out of the last 7 years or something. If it means them being a larger entity’s sub to survive, I don’t know. I have never really followed the financials of ... 

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 By: marcobermann : May 26th, 2020-19:11
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Hi Marc,

 
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It...even if 1 million die from Corona at the current cost of $14 trillion damage to the global economy....is it all worth it? Reminds me of Y2K

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 By: patrick_y : May 26th, 2020-20:29
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This is very in-depth analysis,

 
 By: Ted-Lo : May 26th, 2020-20:39
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Oh yes! And a takeover would have to be done at a much higher share price!

 
 By: patrick_y : May 26th, 2020-22:19
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 By: patrick_y : May 26th, 2020-22:23
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We shall see. It was just something that came up to mind when I saw the news and did some side research on AML stock.

 
 By: patrick_y : May 27th, 2020-00:19
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 By: Ted-Lo : May 26th, 2020-22:48
#618c18477577 But it could be hoopla being spit from the CEO, let's see.

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 By: nafetS : May 27th, 2020-00:13
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I read about the problems with Aston but didn’t know about McLaren had any problem whatsoever.

 
 By: Watchonthewrist : May 27th, 2020-00:46
Maybe its because of the financial crisis in the world . I think a lot of people will wait now to buy a car like that , or any hyper or sports car . I think its a global problem for sports car manufacturers now

Re Aston Martin & McLaren

 
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Sales Figures for exotics 4 months 2019 vs 2020

 
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Sales to customer or Sales to dealers?

 
 By: nafetS : May 28th, 2020-02:48
Still, 50% down for AM vs 10-25% for Ferrari or Lamborghini

Did you see Aston’s will bring

 
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Back the Goldfinger DB5 Cars at 3.4M each, limited run, with Bond gadgetry. Seems that will give them an influx of cash.

I guess Mr Peter Lim will find way to cover the lost.

 
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Hope the affected employees find new job soon.

Generally the wealthy stay wealthy

 
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