A post on Porsche 911s.

Dec 25, 2022,11:44 AM
 

I guess I am far from being the only one to love and have a huge admiration for the Porsche 911, which will celebrate the 60th anniversary of its unveiling, next year. 60 years, already!!!


I never owned a Porsche, I considered the idea many times, and I am not giving up the idea. For the moment, it is something between a project and a dream. 

Hence the idea behind this post. Which one would you / I get? Which one makes your heart beat faster? 

In 60 years, the 911 has lived many (r)evolutions. 

Look at these photos I could gather in the net. 














Each generation is getting bigger and larger, at the risk of loosing its original charm. But it is only when you compare the original to the latest that you realize that, because Porsche constantly brought some changes to its iconic car. 

Nowadays, I would say that the Cayman is closer to the original spirit of the 911 than the more luxurious 992. Don't get me wrong, I would love to get a 992. But my love is somewhere in the Past, between a 964 and a 997. 

Let's see the " evolution chain ", now: 

1/ The first one, the 911 from 1963, in production in 1964, if I correctly understood: 














2/ The second generation: 

The 2,7 RS is a myth, but there were some other good ones... 

For example, this 930!





3/ One of my favorite, the 911 964: 

Normal over the Targa, for me, even if I like the idea of the Targa: 




Targa: 









And The Beast, the Turbo! 







The magic dashboard: 



4/ The 911 993: Tempting, very tempting, too. Even if I aesthetically prefer the 964 and the 997. 











5/ The 911 996 is not my favorite 911, truth to be told... 



But the Turbo is another beast, 



And what to say about the GT 2, which would probably make my day? 





6/ The 911 997: You got it, it is one of my two favorites. 

More powerful than a 964, for me, it is the modern one which is closer to the spirit of the 911, 








And if you want to spice things a lot more, then the GT 3 RS is for you... 









7/ The 911 991. More " precious " in my opinion. A superb 911, for sure. 

Here is the 50th Anniversary: 









I love this interior!



8/ The 911 992, the current one. Here I chose to go for the Sport Classic, which is very much my taste. 











What is YOUR 911? 

Best,

Nicolas


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993 all the time

 
 By: penfriend : December 25th, 2022-12:00
I had two of them, Targa and Turbo. Best air cooled technology, best proportions

I cannot say

 
 By: penfriend : December 25th, 2022-13:13
First bought the Targa for the roof but it was totalled in an accident. Then the turbo for the power. Both lovely.

Too bad for the Targa.

 
 By: amanico : December 25th, 2022-16:02

Great post.

 
 By: redbox : December 25th, 2022-13:03
Don't forget to talk about the 912. That help keep Porsche alive when they switched from the 356 to the 911. The 911 was too expensive and sales were not good. So Porsche came up with the 912, a scaled back 911 and the rest is history.

Yes!

 
 By: amanico : December 25th, 2022-16:02

Timeless! Love the 911!

 
 By: Chronometer (aka yacomino) : December 25th, 2022-13:15

Nice solution.

 
 By: amanico : December 25th, 2022-16:03

993 Targa

 
 By: GuyT : December 25th, 2022-13:38
Unlikely to ever own one and rather wasted where I live but the 993 Targa for me. Love that sliding glass roof.

I’d go for a 911 turbo type 930 from 1988.

 
 By: borisundercover : December 25th, 2022-13:51
300hp 3.3 Liters 6 cylinders (I stole the pics on but I prefer the very same model with side grills.) ...  

Owned a 964 Series

 
 By: Ted O : December 25th, 2022-15:19
Was a 1990 Targa, just like the is photo, and how I do miss it! ...  

911s are gorgeous cars with tons of presence...

 
 By: mdg : December 25th, 2022-16:11
...either moving or standing still. My only issue with them is this; they are GTs (Grand Touring) automobiles. They should be fast but comfortable. But every article I've ever read about them mentions that they are noisy at speed. Mostly road noise/tire r... 

They have the speed and grip of sports cars...

 
 By: mdg : December 25th, 2022-18:34
...but most are automatic transmission, and if you look at your photos, they have grown huge and heavy over the years. They are a weird mix of GT and sports to me. You can order the 'T' version that is lighter and probably more true to the spirit of the o... 

It's true, I think Porsche hits their weight targets by sacrificing sound deadening and comfort. Iconic status seems to have earned them a free pass on this.

 
 By: Fastwong : December 25th, 2022-21:30
Too small and noisy for a GT car, too big with useless rear seats for a sports car.... but maybe that's what makes thee 911 great even today. The ultimate compromise do everything car. I'd rather have a v12 front engine car for a road trip, a mid engine t... 

Love the 997

 
 By: jim_94104 : December 25th, 2022-16:19
but can't afford one, especially under the current "premium" pricing environment 😅 hope to be able to find a used 718 Cayman in the NY.

2nd generation for me.

 
 By: RabidManatee : December 25th, 2022-17:14
930 would be amazing but I’d “settle” for a Carrera. I had a chance to buy one before prices went ballistic but didn’t; although the car was perfect, the seller was asking for a little too much money and I wasn’t sold on the color (Guards Red — to me red ... 

My 991.2 Targa 4 GTS Arena Red

 
 By: DocAbe : December 25th, 2022-17:22
Enter text ...  

Lucky you! Welcome here!

 
 By: amanico : December 25th, 2022-17:29

Thanks

 
 By: DocAbe : December 25th, 2022-17:30
Been a member for a while but got locked out of my account and system wouldn’t let me reset password

Too bad!

 
 By: amanico : December 25th, 2022-17:33

All the greatest hits, Nico!

 
 By: 997c4gts : December 25th, 2022-17:30
The 997 GTS has been the sweet spot for me since 2014 and going to add a 992 Carrera T before the petrol engine is banned in the UK by 2030. Wonder what specials they’ll come out with for 60th Anniversary next year?! ...  

I’ve always pictured you a vintage 911 kind of guy.

 
 By: jp884 : December 25th, 2022-18:55
I appreciate the vintage but don’t appreciate the upkeep. One of my good friends had a 964 turbo that he finally traded in towards a 488 because he got tired of chasing the gremlins and in constant repair of something. My personal sweet spot is the 991. G... 

I look forward to see where your heart takes you!

 
 By: jp884 : December 25th, 2022-21:14
No wrong choice there, Porsche can be forever cars if you decide it to be.

I will keep you posted.

 
 By: amanico : December 25th, 2022-21:19

Thanks for a great post!

 
 By: MichaelC : December 25th, 2022-19:08
I have also never owned one but maybe one day. It is impossible to choose wrong. The prices are so astronomical, that would lead me to order a new one if able to source at MSRP.

You’re absolutely right

 
 By: Blue and White : January 15th, 2023-18:46
I have not owned one either (and maybe it works out someday?) but it’s probably impossible to go wrong with any 911….they’re magnificent sports cars.

+1!

 
 By: amanico : January 15th, 2023-19:24

Stubbornly Overrated... But very good once you know how to drive it...

 
 By: patrick_y : December 25th, 2022-21:50
Let me start off with the following. I really like Porsches, but I feel the vast majority of people who buy them have NO IDEA what they're buying. Let me explain... Porsches and BMWs are two luxury/premium German car marques. Porsche is considered luxury....  

Highly interesting and impressive answer, my dear Patrick. Thank you so much for that. Now...

 
 By: amanico : December 25th, 2022-22:01
Now, about driving experience... There are indeed two schools: Those who like the electronic assistance, and yes, you are right, I already read that the recent 911 systems are very efficient. And those who prefer to face the difficulty and to feel the car... 

You might want to consider a 997 series then...

 
 By: patrick_y : December 25th, 2022-22:07
The 997 generation were produced in model year 2005 to 2011. Earlier models have the risk of an "IMS" failure. The IMS is an "intermediate shaft bearing" that has the potential to fail. This problem plagues all engines up until the 2008 model year. It als... 

Right! Although the Mezger engine has its own set of problems...

 
 By: patrick_y : December 26th, 2022-00:22
The Mezger engine, designed by a man named Mezger, has certain unusual reliability problems. Sometimes they're dramatic. So everything needs to be carefully scrutinized. But I would say any of the 997 GT3s are extremely desirable cars. The steering is won... 

Yes. Although avoid 2009s.

 
 By: patrick_y : December 25th, 2022-22:16
There are two sub-generations of 997s. Porschephiles call them 997.1 and 997.2. You'll notice that the headlight and front bumper changed and the rear taillamp changed as well. I would get either a late year 997.1 or a late year 997.2. The first couple of... 

Yes. But if you're considering a GT3 model, this is less of an issue...

 
 By: patrick_y : December 26th, 2022-00:28
GT3 models generally don't have the IMS issue. And even the 997.2 GT3 doesn't have direct injection. So if you're looking at a GT3 model, you're completely safe! But they have their own problems. Basically, if you drive the car hard, you need to check hos... 

I will keep that in mind.

 
 By: amanico : December 26th, 2022-11:01

Wow, I missed some great posts over the holidays! Patrick is on the money. One thing to note is 911s don't really dance imho, best drive before you buy!

 
 By: Fastwong : January 15th, 2023-01:48
The big fat tires on the back and weight balance mean most of the time the car wants to understeer, car really needs to be moving and on the power to get it play and then you're going quite fast, np for the track but tough on public roads. As Patrick note... 

Visualizing that made me want to go for a drive!

 
 By: patrick_y : January 15th, 2023-05:10
Unfortunately, it's pouring rain out here!

Not a 911 but it does make my heart beat!!!

 
 By: KonaJ : December 25th, 2022-21:59
Wish all a Sassy New Year! ...  

Sassy New Year! ;)

 
 By: amanico : December 25th, 2022-22:04

😊🤙

 
 By: KonaJ : December 25th, 2022-22:17

Big Congrats!

 
 By: patrick_y : December 26th, 2022-19:19
That's quite a machine!

earlier models.....

 
 By: berlin90 : December 25th, 2022-23:00
911 from the early 1970's or maybe a 911sc.......really an amazing car to drive if it is sorted out well ...  

Great pics and a great subject!

 
 By: Arronax : December 26th, 2022-12:40
Best debated over a few nice bottles of wine! I've driven many but only owned one, an 89 930 3.2 Carrera. Before buying it I had the chance to test drive the 964, 993 and 996 but the 930 was the most charming one with the thin steering wheel even though t... 

As an occasional toy

 
 By: Arronax : December 26th, 2022-21:30
The 964 but they've gone up a lot in prices like most air cooled, followed by the 930. I love the small blocks (2.4 or 2.7 but that's almost out of reach nowadays). My current use dictates near daily usage and for that reason in my case 996 would be my ch... 

Hi, not sure you mean 1989 930 (3.3 turbo) or 1989 911 3.2 Carrera.

 
 By: sake : December 27th, 2022-02:27
They are quite different animals.

997 SC and 964 Turbo

 
 By: Gelato Monster : December 27th, 2022-00:28

Hehehe, two of my favorites!

 
 By: amanico : December 27th, 2022-06:26

oops

 
 By: Gelato Monster : December 27th, 2022-06:43

:))))

 
 By: amanico : December 27th, 2022-06:59

Fat and heavy

 
 By: 198042 : December 28th, 2022-16:42
Up to the F-series, the 911s were rather light and nimble. By growing them fatter and bigger, Porsche has done those enthusiasts a disservice who want to feel their cars directly, visceral and analog. The G-series started the gain weight disease in 1974. ...  

It would "fly" once you got over 200 km/h

 
 By: 198042 : December 28th, 2022-16:52
It was a real work-out to keep it on the road. If you look at the gaps around the door or the hood, you will notice that it was in very good shape.... We had completely gone over the body in 1977/78. There had been zero rust-proofing from the factory :-(

Hello, this is mine on a trip in the french alps.

 
 By: akki68 : January 14th, 2023-20:57
Enter text ...  

Pleasure!

 
 By: amanico : January 14th, 2023-22:04

Great post, Nico

 
 By: Blue and White : January 15th, 2023-18:53
In my very personal opinion, the 991.1 is my favorite one (although all generations are great). I just love the styling, the lovely taillights and the face with the smoldering indicator lights, plus it was the last generation with naturally aspirated engi... 

930 = Widowmaker

 
 By: Lunar fan : January 26th, 2023-21:53
I have driven lots of 911s on the street and track - the modern varieties are relatively tame and well sorted out -- but the older turbos were dangerous. The 911 Turbo aka 930 picked up the nickname " the Widowmaker " because of its unusual driving charac...