Without knowing the full history, this infers a likely a design optimisation to the mainspring of the initial release

Apr 17, 2022,04:38 AM
 

The stopwork system illustrated here is based on an orbital maltese cross. The outermost orbital cam with one less tooth revolves/pinwheels around the stationary central cam. They have a difference of one tooth, such that after a number of turns, the long tooth of the central cam lands into the shallow recess of the orbital cam, halting winding/unwinding. 

  
Long story short, the left barrel does five revolutions from full to empty, while the right barrel does six revolutions. The next paragraph is a mathematical explanation, which can be skipped if needed.
  
The old movement has a central cam of six teeth, while the orbital cam has five recesses. Mathematically, their lowest common multiple (LCM) is 6x5=30, i.e. after 30 teeth engagements the long tooth engages the shallow recess again. 30 teeth engagements is five revolutions of the barrel around the central cam. Meanwhile, the new movement has 7 central teeth and 6 recesses, which is a LCM of 42, i.e. after 42 teeth engagements the long tooth hits the shallow recess - this is six revolutions of the barrel. The difference of number of teeth and recess has to be 1, so that the two numbers are mutually coprime - in other words, N and N+1 both cannot be cleanly divided by any number larger than one. This results in the LCM simply being the product of the two numbers. If the two numbers are not mutually coprime, the orbital cam will repeat the cycle quicker - for example, a central cam having 6 teeth with the orbital cam having 4 recesses has a LCM of only 12, which means only after two revolutions of the barrel the stopwork happens. This of course, is too little as a mainspring barrel usually unwinds in 4-6 full turns.
 
Thus, it appears that the modern production Zeitwerks have a barrel that unwinds 20% faster than the old one - the first Zeitwerk barrel empties after five turns, while modern Zeitwerk barrels empties after six turns. Yet, both still maintain the same power reserve of 36 hours. This means that the modern Zeitwerk has a longer mainspring (to ensure it can unwind for that extra 20%), and the gear ratio between the barrel and second wheel of the geartrain has a different gear ratio (20% slower, since the barrel is now faster).
 
This is not attributed to cost-related matters - I believe this is all part of the optimisation of the design. This appears to be the decision for a longer mainspring with more spread out torque, rather than a shorter mainspring needing to supply higher torque. Note also that the Zeitwerk movement, especially the remontoir portion, has underwent numerous revisions/changes since its inception - the initial release remontoir functions and behaves differently compared to the later releases!
 
Interestingly, another major difference is the crown wheel which is further evidence of this - since the new movement's barrel unwinds in more turns than the old one, conversely this means that you need more turns of the crown to fully wind it. Thus to preserve the number of winds, a crown wheel with more teeth is needed (Refer images below, comparing Peter Chong's original article versus Lange's stock image. I count 30 here vs old one of 20) such that the gear ratio is stepped down less to the barrel cover. This results in overall, similar number of turns of the crown to fully wind both barrels despite the difference in mainspring lengths. Another interesting implication - newer Zeitwerks will have more "clicks" as you turn the crown, as the gear ratio is now quicker and thus you'll hear the clickspring ratcheting at a higher frequency!
 
Quite fascinating how much information and implied consequence of the design change one can infer, just from a simple difference of number of teeth on a couple of wheels! (and, knowing both movements preserve the same length of power reserve)
 
Regards,
skyeriding






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Notice the difference? 😉

 
 By: diracpoint : April 16th, 2022-22:08
. . . On the left --- teeth profile of the stop works on ZW barrel, as shown on ALS website. On the right --- teeth profile on an actual model. As can be seen, the left pic shows a more defined and more angular teeth profile e.g. if you consider the centr...  

There are multiple movements for ZW

 
 By: m2 : April 16th, 2022-23:31
ALS has one version that "preloads" which is older and the other is a newer version with no preloading. I think the new one was updated in 2019. Ref #s are the same.

I believe the above is independent of the preload though!!

 
 By: diracpoint : April 17th, 2022-00:07
I looked at both older and newer movements which have the same teeth profile!

Very interesting observation.

 
 By: Rhyzen : April 17th, 2022-01:27
Have you tried reaching out to Lange for an explanation? Would be most interested to know the difference between the two.

Interesting difference, the one on the right looks sturdier...

 
 By: oyster case : April 17th, 2022-02:36
not sure if it's less expensive and would like to hear informed opinion on that.

Without knowing the full history, this infers a likely a design optimisation to the mainspring of the initial release

 
 By: skyeriding : April 17th, 2022-04:38
The stopwork system illustrated here is based on an orbital maltese cross. The outermost orbital cam with one less tooth revolves/pinwheels around the stationary central cam. They have a difference of one tooth, such that after a number of turns, the long...  

Thank you as always, Sir!

 
 By: Langepedia : April 17th, 2022-15:00

Epic post! 👏

 
 By: diracpoint : April 17th, 2022-22:46
Thank you so much for the detailed explanation. I'll just add a couple of my observations, which differ a bit from yours, although I agree with the big picture about design optimization ... 1. I agree that the long tooth of the central wheel engages with ...  

Thank you for specifically mentioning those points

 
 By: skyeriding : April 18th, 2022-08:59
I forgot about the balance wheel stop feature. In that case, it is entirely possible that the gear ratio of the barrel and second wheel between the old and new movements are identical, since the brake lever will stop the balance wheel before the barrel de... 

This is encyclopedic.

 
 By: Rhyzen : April 18th, 2022-14:07
Thank you for enlightening us.

Regarding the brake lever ...

 
 By: diracpoint : April 18th, 2022-22:20
It seems the original movement had it as well. See, for example, Lange's stock photo and Peter's photo in his 2009 TZ article (both featuring lower tooth count on the stop works than the modern movement) below. In that case, it is likely that your origina...