Thank you for specifically mentioning those points

Apr 18, 2022,08:59 AM
 

I forgot about the balance wheel stop feature. In that case, it is entirely possible that the gear ratio of the barrel and second wheel between the old and new movements are identical, since the brake lever will stop the balance wheel before the barrel depletes. I do not have further info of the original movement to make a direct comparison - whether it also uses the brake lever or just further depletes, as your photo shows that the newer barrel's central arbor does five turns (and not completing the 6th turn) before fully unwinding to Ab. 
 
In spirit, that's actually the intention of a stopwork mechanism - it is not to stop the movement when the barrel is empty, but rather, it limits overwinding as mainsprings will have a sharp torque increase when near fully wound, resulting in too much power going into the movement's going train.
 
You accurately noted the oversimplification I made in my writeup - the central cam does indeed rotate, albeit slowly. I omitted that fact to simplify the explanation, as during winding, the central cam can be more or less be considered stationary. This is because it is tied to the arbor of the mainspring, which unwinds as the watch ticks. In other words, it is a continuous game of catching up - you're continuously winding the barrel cover clockwise to wind the spring over the watch's lifetime, while it continuously unwinds clockwise via the central arbor. The cam mechanism of the stopwork simply acts as a "limiter" to the "relative angular difference" in number of turns between the barrel and arbor.
 
The configuration of winding the barrel is a little different than a conventional wristwatch - normally, you wind the mainspring via the central arbor, and it is the outer barrel rotates to drive the movement. In the Zeitwerk, you're winding the mainspring via it's periphery, while the barrel powers the movement via it's central arbor, driving a wheel underneath. In retrospect, this is not the most space efficient solution (though the stopwork does look cool), and thus is one of the optimisations in the newer Zeitwerk Date - using the relatively conventional method of winding via the central arbor, but stacking two barrels in series for a longer power reserve.
 
As an interesting aside, since the Zeitwerk has a remontoir, you can see the central cam visibly rotate clockwise a slight notch everytime the discs jump. That is how little the barrel needs to unwind, to recharge the remontoir with a full one minute of power. Meanwhile, a regular watch without a remontoir will have the barrel continuously rotating...
 
Regards,
skyeriding


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Notice the difference? 😉

 
 By: diracpoint : April 16th, 2022-22:08
. . . On the left --- teeth profile of the stop works on ZW barrel, as shown on ALS website. On the right --- teeth profile on an actual model. As can be seen, the left pic shows a more defined and more angular teeth profile e.g. if you consider the centr...  

There are multiple movements for ZW

 
 By: m2 : April 16th, 2022-23:31
ALS has one version that "preloads" which is older and the other is a newer version with no preloading. I think the new one was updated in 2019. Ref #s are the same.

I believe the above is independent of the preload though!!

 
 By: diracpoint : April 17th, 2022-00:07
I looked at both older and newer movements which have the same teeth profile!

Very interesting observation.

 
 By: Rhyzen : April 17th, 2022-01:27
Have you tried reaching out to Lange for an explanation? Would be most interested to know the difference between the two.

Interesting difference, the one on the right looks sturdier...

 
 By: oyster case : April 17th, 2022-02:36
not sure if it's less expensive and would like to hear informed opinion on that.

Without knowing the full history, this infers a likely a design optimisation to the mainspring of the initial release

 
 By: skyeriding : April 17th, 2022-04:38
The stopwork system illustrated here is based on an orbital maltese cross. The outermost orbital cam with one less tooth revolves/pinwheels around the stationary central cam. They have a difference of one tooth, such that after a number of turns, the long...  

Thank you as always, Sir!

 
 By: Langepedia : April 17th, 2022-15:00

Epic post! 👏

 
 By: diracpoint : April 17th, 2022-22:46
Thank you so much for the detailed explanation. I'll just add a couple of my observations, which differ a bit from yours, although I agree with the big picture about design optimization ... 1. I agree that the long tooth of the central wheel engages with ...  

Thank you for specifically mentioning those points

 
 By: skyeriding : April 18th, 2022-08:59
I forgot about the balance wheel stop feature. In that case, it is entirely possible that the gear ratio of the barrel and second wheel between the old and new movements are identical, since the brake lever will stop the balance wheel before the barrel de... 

This is encyclopedic.

 
 By: Rhyzen : April 18th, 2022-14:07
Thank you for enlightening us.

Regarding the brake lever ...

 
 By: diracpoint : April 18th, 2022-22:20
It seems the original movement had it as well. See, for example, Lange's stock photo and Peter's photo in his 2009 TZ article (both featuring lower tooth count on the stop works than the modern movement) below. In that case, it is likely that your origina...