Ok, for me this is quite simple.
The reason why I pay for a ALS watch the amount of a (luxury) car is not least because of the story behind that ALS produces its watches at highest possible standards and therefore my/our („romantic“) assumption that this manufacturer finishes ALL components, visible or invisible, at highest standard.
Now I learn that the production of the case and the hands and... (?) are outsourced. And that it is not a viable option to have completely polished hands.
This reminds me of a comparable experience I had with a luxury car about 8 years ago. It was/is a famous brand and I had bought a diesel￼ of one of the top models of this brand. In addition to the regular refueling I had to fill in AdBlue every 7.000 - 10.000 km. AdBlue is a liquid used to reduce the amount of air pollution created by a diesel engine. This was rather inconvenient because the tank opening for AdBlue was constructed so specially that you couldn’t go to every fuel station￼￼ to refill this liquid.
I asked the manufacturer why they had not made the tank of the AdBlue bigger so that you would have to refuel just for example every 20,000 km. The answer was that this would have been too expensive in production￼ since the bigger tank would have cost about Euro 80 per car more in production. And because they are producing a huge amount of cars producing a bigger plastic(!) tank for AdBlue would have been not economical.
This information left me with a rather ... strange aftertaste. The prize of the car was more than Euro 100K. And what an improvement of comfort and usability it would have been for me if the company would have invested this damn Euro 80.
Now you could answer: well, polishing the underside of hands is not comparable to your car story since it doesn’t lead to a functional improvement.
Yes, but for me watches are in general a “romantic” theme. We also pay a lot of money due to the stories behind.
So: I am waiting for an acceptable explanation by ALS.
P.S.: very interesting post!
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An explanation regarding the finishing of the hands.
In respecting the anonymity of the person who responded to my request pertaining to the “unfinished” hands on some Lange watches, here is what I learned: Basically, the reasons behind the unfinished hands are quiet straightforward: A) Lange does not manuf...
Finishing the underside of the hands is not industry standards.
VC, Patek, AP... they all don’t finish the underside of their hands- how’s that ok for them? Even the Geneva Seal doesn’t require the underside to be finished. Otherwise the movement finishing is of the highest standard especially compared to PP, VC and t...
Its very clear that Lange is referring to the movement.
There shouldn't be a confusion as they were technically and explicitly referring to the movement - if anything, their explanation or what I got from them makes perfect sense to me. Economically not viable is a very sound and honest reasoning, not sure why...
I think you hit the nail on the head FabR
Technically and realistically speaking, Lange is right to not finsh the hands. The problem lies with the romantic (false) assumption that ALS finishes all components, visible or invisible, being shattered by this little detail. Further, I do not think the...
Here’s the thing though
Lange has always made it clear the all parts being finished applies to the movement - there’s no confusion there, if we decide to apply it to other parts then that’s not their fault really.
I wasn't going to reply, as I think everyone should have their opinion, and this really isn't about Lange's level of movement finishing, or a comparison with Patek, AP, or anyone else.
However, I was searching how this whole discussion originated, and look who started it less than two months ago: www.watchprosite.com Now, all of a sudden, Lange "has always made it clear", "there shouldn't be a confusion", or it's even "indisputa...
I'm a huge Lange fanboy and think it's not really a valid excuse given they are owned by Richemont. Yes, Lange might be small but they could surely pool resources and find a solution. If other brands can do it, so can they.
Richemont doesnt control Lange
or any of their other brands- think of it like a Canadian Federation. You have the Federal Gov. and then you have the provinces that have huge autonomy. Pooling resources is an easy word for us to use but Lange is a brand that was revived only 25 years ag...
I'm sure they have autonomy but what I'm getting at is that engineers at Lange / PD heads can probably call other companies owned by Richemont and solve this. If Grand Seiko can do it, so can Lange.
They are the King of Finishing.
For the price they offer the best package out of all the serially produced watches on the market today and they are super close to the indies.
Who from the big brands are finishing their movements to the same standard as Lange?
I believe so -
but I’m sure you understand the company would like to have one official statement as opposed to private conversations.
The "polished hands" discussion...
... reminds me about how each of us has our own idiosyncrasies. It's interesting and amusing to read about these things. It's part of what makes this hobby fun for me. For example, in another recent thread, several people said they wouldn't own a Zeitwerk...
thank you for pointing these things out- for some reason people are so hard on Lange when their peers dont come close to them in terms of finishing/value.
Yup I remember that.
I never looked at the RG as inferior per se- I just felt the fully polished case seemed rather unattractive. Whatever their reasoning may be I hated it lol
The preloading issue with the Zeitwerk is fixed on newer watches fwiw
Ok, for me this is quite simple.
The reason why I pay for a ALS watch the amount of a (luxury) car is not least because of the story behind that ALS produces its watches at highest possible standards and therefore my/our („romantic“) assumption that this manufacturer finishes ALL compone...
Thank you CR
for your nice reply and reading my thoughts. And I hope you are wrong with your penultimate sentence.... Let’s see what will come out in this case. Best Thomas