I wouldn't even call it coercion... If you are coerced, then you probably allowed the coercion to happen.

Apr 11, 2024,16:05 PM
 

I feel a lot of empathy for the stores and jewelers.  First of all, the brands have created this strategy of implied shortage as a pillar of their brand.  Rarity, exclusivity, and difficulty to obtain adds to a product's allure.  Thus, I very well understand that this is a game that retailers and brands play.  Moreover, I find this practice employed by brands and retailers to be a very fair practice.  Lastly, if you're new to the game and following a trend...  You'll forever be chasing the things you can't get.  You have to be a pioneer, take some risks, and go after things you like without care of resale value or trends.  Set your own trend.  

Some legal arguments in favor of Hermes... 

If I exaggerate something, that would be considered legally as "mere puffery."  A sales agent may have exaggerated their ability to be able to find a handbag to sell you.  For instance, if I said, "use me as your dedicated personal shopper and I'm confident that I can eventually get you one of those hard to get handbags" and then I never do, it could be said that this salesperson exaggerated their abilities.  

For instance, Hermes will likely be able to prove that there is no "exact amount of spending" that makes you eligible for a Birkin/Kelly handbag.  And once they prove that nothing was ever "promised" or "strongly implied" then it will be argued that no contract was communicated, then customers have no recourse, because Hermes sales employee never went into a verbal contract with the client.  The sales associate never said, "if you spend $300,000 with Hermes this year, you will be offered a handbag within 12 months."  A contract legally has to have a timing, and both parties exchanging something specific.  But if the sales person does say, "they're very hard to get, I will help you get one, but you'll need to support this store a lot," then nobody is on the hook since nothing specific was defined and thus this would not be considered a contract.  

This suit was likely largely inspired by the individual who sued another jewelry store in our local area for not being able to get a specific Patek Philippe Nautilus after spending $200K+ with the jeweler.  The problem with that suit is that - that individual paid $200K for jewelry, got $200K of value in jewelry, and is thus not economically damaged.  True, he would not have spent the $200K if he didn't think he was going to get a Patek Philippe Nautilus at retail price.  And now he's willing to hire a lawyer to create bad press for the jeweler and then get a settlement.  This lawyer knows that there's no legal standing here.  But the lawyer is probably confident he can exhaust the jeweler to settle.  And will threaten the jeweler with more bad press if they don't.  The lawyer probably is taking a 30% contingency (aka commission) on the case, so it's likely the plaintiff (the upset customer) is not risking a lot of money to hire the lawyer as most of the lawyer's pay is in the contingency which the lawyer only gets if he wins.  

The other more interesting point of this lawsuit is that they're accusing Hermes of anti-trust practices.  This is a more serious accusation.  But the legal defense Hermes has at its disposal here are numerous.  One such strategy they can employ is they can simply say: these handbags are works of art.  Once something is legally defined as "art" then the laws in USA surrounding it are much more vague.  A store is not required to sell a collector a specific work of art.  An art gallery can legally select whom they want to sell a work of art to if it's not offered in an auction format.  For instance, the gallery can sell this Picasso to Mr. Movie Star over myself because they think getting a client like a movie star will open doors and prestige to the gallery.  Legally, the gallery cannot then come back to me and say, "you need to buy more art or you need to offer more money" although I'm not saying this doesn't happen.  Hermes may not go down this "art" path though - as opposing counsel will argue "it's not art, they have regularly produced commodity pieces with SKU numbers."  It's hard to prove these bags are art.  Especially if there are regular identical models produced - a 30cm all black Birkin made of Togo leather is the same as the next 30cm all black Birkin made of Togo leather.  

So my point is this.  If you're able to be coerced, then you probably allowed the coercion to happen.  I won't say anybody who has been coerced are stupid - Wei Koh already called people who don't like Rolex's 2024 novelties that - but I'll ask those very smart people...  "Are you sure you didn't allow yourself to hear what you wanted to hear?  What's another word for that?  Coercion."  


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Hermès sued by two Californians as Birkin handbags are difficult to purchase without being already a faithful Hermès customer

 
 By: eklektik : April 11th, 2024-07:07
Could this also happen to some other industries like watchmaking or luxury car manufacturer? Interesting to see what the outcome of the trial will be. The story is relayed in many different newspapers and websites. Best, E.

I am principally....

 
 By: InHavenPro : April 11th, 2024-07:10
not against this course of action at all! Good luck to them....

You don't have to be a "faithful" client

 
 By: jim_94104 : April 11th, 2024-09:48
there are all sorts of coaching videos on YouTube. Telling one what to buy and price ratio to buy, in order to get an "allocation" of the bag you want. It is actually quite hilarious if you stop and think about this for a second 😅

Depends on where it is...

 
 By: mdg : April 11th, 2024-20:49
...in some areas, that is being generous...

;)

 
 By: amanico : April 11th, 2024-12:33

Imagine going to court because you can't buy an unnecessary, overpriced luxury good.

 
 By: Tavio_George : April 11th, 2024-10:39
With so many independent artisans struggling to sell their work...we have to hear about people's "rights" to buy "labels". Apologies for my contrarian take on this but I'm rooting for Big Business on this one.

I struggle to understand this

 
 By: marcobermann : April 11th, 2024-11:33
Hi all, I mean to me it really is quite simple for anyone that makes anything be it a watch, car, handbag etc etc they should have the right to sell it or in this case not sell it to anyone of their choosing for whatever reasons they may have. I also find... 

Agree 1000%

 
 By: jp884 : April 11th, 2024-14:23
It’s ridiculous that this suit is even brought up. You don’t have a right to buy something and someone has the right not to sell it. If you don’t like that buy something else. There are many watch manufacturers that I won’t consider anymore because they p... 

It depends upon the reason for not selling...

 
 By: mdg : April 11th, 2024-20:54
...if you advertise something for sale and advertise the price, and somebody says 'I'll take it' and you don't sell it, isn't this some sort of false advertising? I don't care either way because I would figure out something else to do with my money. But I... 

Fully agree. What a pathetic lawsuit.

 
 By: vitalsigns : April 11th, 2024-13:24
I don't have to like Hermes (or the analogue in the watch world) business model to dismiss this lawsuit as B.S.

I agree!

 
 By: eklektik : April 11th, 2024-18:40
I would find mindboggling that they use the bag after winning the trial!

For every willing buyer, there has to be a willing seller? no?😂

 
 By: S F : April 11th, 2024-12:51
Lets see how much time will be wasted before the case get struck off for being frivolous 😂

This has no chance of succeeding. But it's good clickbait and sells newspapers (newspapers sell online ads).

 
 By: patrick_y : April 11th, 2024-15:02
Another Californian sued a jeweler because he never got his Patek Philippe Nautilus and had spent hundreds of thousands on jewelry with the hopes of getting one. That lawsuit won't ever be successful, but it's made in the hopes to disparage the jeweler fr... 

I don't necessarily agree with the necessity of a law suit here

 
 By: jim_94104 : April 11th, 2024-15:15
and my iq level is below average. but I think the argument is not about loyal customers getting the allocation but exposing unethical sales practice of "coercing" customers into buying $x of unwanted merchandise just to get what they want. I should also p... 

I wouldn't even call it coercion... If you are coerced, then you probably allowed the coercion to happen.

 
 By: patrick_y : April 11th, 2024-16:05
I feel a lot of empathy for the stores and jewelers. First of all, the brands have created this strategy of implied shortage as a pillar of their brand. Rarity, exclusivity, and difficulty to obtain adds to a product's allure. Thus, I very well understand... 

Great logical post patrick_y but

 
 By: marcobermann : April 12th, 2024-08:51
I can't agree with you saying " that individual paid $200K for jewelry ,got $200K value in jewelry" as if he attempted to sell and recoup the spent money IMO he would be lucky to see even 45% of it back. Marc

Probably.

 
 By: patrick_y : April 12th, 2024-21:34
Nevertheless, there is a cost to getting something new and from a reputable store like Shreve. Remember, once a car is sold and rolls off a dealership, it's no longer "new" since it's been titled. So, there's a large drop in value simply because an item i... 

The key to winning this type of suit would be to get something in writing...

 
 By: mdg : April 11th, 2024-20:55
...and I will assume that some ADs would be dumb enough to do so...

I haven't met one of these "dumb enough" ADs yet.

 
 By: patrick_y : April 12th, 2024-01:15
Where can we find this "dumb enough" AD? Do they really exist?

In our modern world...

 
 By: mdg : April 12th, 2024-01:33
...there are morons everywhere. Trust me...