Patek Philippe World Time references: a journey through the generations

May 18, 2016,09:39 AM
 

Hi everyone,

Article updated with the last novelties smile

Best, Mark


Last Update October, 2017: Baselworld 2017 5131P World Time

Updated August 1, 2017: NYC Grand Exhibition references (5531, 5230G NYC)
Updated Sep 28, 2016: 5130P Edinburgh "Hamilton & Inches" 25 pieces limited edition.
Updated May 18, 2016: Baselworld 2016 novelties - 5230G and R and 5930G




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Dear Patek fellows,

I think the World Time references from Patek Philippe are major timepieces in this type of complication and especially have a special place in the brand's history. I thought it was an interesting topic, looking back where it comes from and how it evolved to become the major reference it is now.


For those who didn't know it already, the World Time mechanism design used in the first Patek Philippe reference was born from the work of an independent watchmaker named Louis Cottier (1894-1966). He has closely been working with Patek Philippe at the time and helped bringing back to light this way of telling time which was forgotten since the very first examples were born during the 17th century, in table clocks.

 

You can see here below sketches made by Louis Cottier and showing the principle used to create these World Time watches. As you'll notice, the mechanism has evolved generation after generation and been improved to facilitate setting as well as reading time in the different time zones displayed.


 

Without further ado, here are the different World Time references Patek Philippe has made.

 


THE 515

The first Patek reference of the modern era was the 515 with its recognizable rectangular Art Deco 25 x 42 mm case produced in 1937 for a New-York client. The 28 cities dial is fixed (contrary to the dials on the next references) and based on the Greenwich time zone at noon. The single crown sets the time and also the 24 hours ring.


Source: Huber&Banberry

 

The world time module developed by Louis Cottier was added to the 12-120 caliber.

It was thought to be unique until lately, but it now seems there are 3 examples known today.

 

THE 96 HU

This was a unique 30.5mm watch crafted in 1939 showing 28 cities.

Edit: Thank you Dcc for this following update: " the 96 HU is not a unique watch as two distinct 96 HU's were sold in late 2011 by Christie’s and Sotheby’s respectively"


Source: Sothebys

 

THE 130

A unique 130 reference was made by Patek Philippe in 1939. It is a 33mm version with the addition of a chronograph and its 2 square pushers. The dial shows 24 cities but the watch doesn't work with a world time movement: only the dial, with Berlin as a base city at noon, shows different time zones.


Source: O. Patrizzi

 

 THE 542 HU

From 1938, around 30 cities are presented in a revolving bezel (manually turned to set the local city at noon) on this 28mm case reference which around 4 examples are known today. It also has these very recognizable thick lugs.


Source: unknown

 

This is the smallest WT version ever produced by Patek Philippe.

 

THE 605 HU

This was a 44mm pocket watch produced during the 1940/60's period, showing 42 cities.

They appeared with a black dial...




Source: Christies

 

...or cloisonné enamel dials (the first one is the only WT model I saw pictures of with a complete world map, made possible thanks to the bigger size of course)...








 ...in addition to the silver ones:


Source: Antiquorum

 

 

THE 1415 HU

Then came the 1415 reference (31mm), produced from 1939 or 1940 in a quite few pieces, especially in yellow gold, until at least 1950. The 28 cities are written on the large bezel which can turn to set the local time. The first enamel dials (continents) appeared with this reference.


Source: Antiquorum

 

It can also be recognized via its teardrop lugs.

One of the highest results at an auction for a wrist-watch was reached for a platinum case and silver dial version.


Source: Antiquorum

 

The caliber used for these 1415 and 2523 references was the hand-wound 12-400.


Here is an enamel cloisonné version:


 

A very few 1416 HU (30 cities) with their specific "claw" lugs were produced in a very few examples.


Source: Antiquorum

 

After this small production, a probably unique version 1415-1 in 35mm (33 cities) was produced in 1940 for the Doctor P. Schmidt with the addition of a chronograph function. The dial also presents a Pulsometer graduated for "15 pulsations" as well as a "5 breathings" scale. The watch is now visible at the Patek Philippe Museum and remains quite famous from many catalogue covers and from Patek Philippe's documentations.


Source: Salonqp.com

 

This specific reference was powered by a 13" Valjoux ebauche base, beautifully decorated.

 

 

THE 2523 HU

The 2523 reference came later in 35mm, with around 40 cities, when it was proposed for sale from 1953 to 1965. Enamel cloisonné dials were also available with this reference. This model now reveals the dial layout which was used later in the 5110 and 5130 references, except the world time setting was activated with a second crown in the 2523 (against only 1 and a manually turned bezel in the previous 1415): one crown for the standard time display; the other one for the time zone setting.


Source: Christies

 

Different versions were found with silver guilloché, translucent enamel or cloisonné enamel dials.

Here is a beautiful example of gold guilloché dial...


Source: Antiquorum

 

... another kind of guilloché in the center from these two pictures...



Source: Antiquorum


 

... or blue Enamel translucent center...


Source: Christies

 

... or Enamel dial with North America's map...


Source: Antiquorum

 





 

...and Europe...


 

More details on the 2523 following this link towards DCC's article: www.watchprosite.com=

 

 

THE 5110

The 5110 (24 time zones) which was produced between 2000 and 2005 housed the fine 240 caliber (in the 240/188 spec.) for the first time as a World Time reference. It required 4 years of development. It is also a switch from a manual to an automatic wound movement.


 

The main visible evolution when setting the local city is that it wasn't set by means of a second crown at 9 o'clock anymore but by a pusher at 10.

This new mechanism allows the owner to set the hour hand (jumping from one hour to the next one for each activation), without moving the minute hand and thus ensures a better accuracy when set.



 

Borrowing the 5127's case and its specific crown guards and round bezel, the 5110 has a delightful guilloché dial inspiration coming from the previous generations.

From several of our members, here are some pictures we had the pleasure to admire on our forum.

To start with, the white gold version...



Credit: Baron from PuristSPro

 

...here is the 5110P...


Credit: Mark In Paris from PuristSPro (thanks to the owner!)

 

... and the 5110R (my personal favorite)...


Credit: Mark In Paris from PuristSPro (thanks to the owner again!)

 

There have been a few limited editions for Taipeï, Doha, Münster or Singapore (on which the city's name appears in red).


 

 

THE 5130

 

The 5130 we have today was born in 2006 and the evolved version of the 240 caliber launched in the 5110 for the first time also powers the current 5130 and 5131 models.

The main differences are the case's size (from 37 to 39mm) though you won't notice any aesthetic changes on the case, bezel or lugs. It is just a more up-to-date size. The center guilloché has been replaced by a sunray decoration and applied hour markers.


Credit: Foversta

 

Here as well, there have been a few limited editions (Munich, Shanghaï...) as well as a bracelet version.

You'll see here below 2 versions of the Shanghaï edition (in red and white gold, 25 pieces each only)...



 

...as well as a picture of the Mecca version (Platinum, 150 pieces)...


 

... and a different guilloché pattern on the Munich edition...


 

...a Jerusalem version that seems to have been edited in 3 pieces only...



...or a Canadian version made for the 75th anniversary of Brinkhaus, the only AD in western Canada at 20 pieces in RG and 20 in WG only (thank you Vwong for the info)...



And the recent 5130P made for the 150th Anniversary of Hamilton and Inches from Edinburgh (25 pieces). Thank you Chronohead for sharing with us.



Credit: Chronohead

 And another piece for Hettitch (50 years celebration), a special 5130J with St-Helier (Jersey island) instead of London (Thank you Russell996 for the info):

Its video here: https://vimeo.com/173730533



THE 5131 ENAMEL REFERENCES

This generation of Patek Philippe World Time also announced the return of the enamel decoration on the central disk with the 5131 models. Each of the versions has been awarded a specific part of the world.

- J with the Atlantic region:


Credit: CH9698

 

- G with Europe/Asia continent:


 

R (presented at the 2015 Basel fair) with the Pacific area:


Credit: Bruno.M1


As a 2017 novelty, we have finally another marvel of craftmanship, the Platinum version with a view of the North Pole, coming with a bracelet in the same material:






Don't forget of course the 30 (? I read many different numbers) pieces limited edition dedicated to the celebration of Patek Philippe's 175th Anniversary, in white gold and showing the Geneva Lake.






 

Or the 2012 unique Children Charity auction:


 

THE 5575G - 175th ANNIVERSARY

Last but not least, the World Time model with moonphase which makes it a very exclusive version compared to the previous generations: the 5575G.


Credit: Bruno.M1

 

The 5230

This is the latest generation of World Time only reference in the Patek Philippe collection, launched in 2016 in replacment of the 5130. More masculine, more contemporary with a fantastic new guilloché pattern and updated cities ring.


In red gold...




...and in white gold...





The 5930

Together with the new 5230, Patek Philippe has released this new World Time and Chronograph reference in 2016 as well. This is the first time we see that combination since the unique piece made for a doctor in 1940 (cf. reference 1415-1 at the beginning of the article). The 28-520 caliber has been modified to occupy less room (the dial is a bridge itself) and to fit the multiple moving rings and new chronograh counter.

It is available in white gold for now.


 

The New York Grand Exhibition collection

In July 2017, Patek Philippe has organized a wonderful 10 days event where were also unveiled different limited editions of WT watches.


Firstly, the 5230G (300 pieces) with a NYC skyline engravement:



(credit: Patrick_y)


And secondly, a new complication with a Minute Repeater and World Time piece, the 5531R and its wonderful 2 dials representing NYC's skyline during day time (5 pieces) and night time (5 pieces).



(credit: Patrick_y)



CONCLUSION

As you noticed, Patek Philippe's World Time pieces allowed being able to read the time in a glance, without additional action on the pushers or the crown. The day/night ring provides also the 24 hours thus allowing reading time from other places of the world in a clever and practical way.

Patek Philippe has mastered, as in many other complication aspects, this original World Time layout and has permit to bring many evolutions since the first "modern" models in the 1930's.

As it will be time to celebrate the New Year all over the world soon, I think it is quite a good subject to cross the time line with.

I'd love to see owners of any of these World Time references posting a little picture as I think this special model deserves it (and so do the people reading this forum!) and I would love to join you one day!

Have a great end of year, I wish you a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year everyone!

 

Cheers, Mark

 

More about the current World Time references on the official website: www.patek.com


PS: as many of these information have been gathered from the models visible during each auctions and because a few customized versions exist, there can be one or two possible mistakes as for number of cities for instance.

Please note also that some of the Number of pieces presented in this article can have evolved as we are aware of new models only each time a new one comes out of the shadow (at an auction etc...).


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Happy Christmas

 
 By: Seconds : December 22nd, 2015-16:59
Wishing you the same Happy Christmas Mark and New Year and also to everyone ! Regards Seconds

Thank you Seconds!

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 23rd, 2015-14:16
Have a nice holiday time Cheers, Mark

Thank You Mark

 
 By: Seconds : December 23rd, 2015-14:54
Wishing you the same and a good New Year Regards Seconds

Wow!!

 
 By: sham1 : December 22nd, 2015-17:23
Amazing post Mark, comprehensive with great photos! I love Patek world timers and your post just ignites my passion further. Thank you and have a Merry Christmas! Sham

Thank you Sham!

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 23rd, 2015-14:18
I love them too even if, of course, I have my favorites among them Cheers, Mark

Fantastic post, Mark.

 
 By: TheMadDruid : December 22nd, 2015-17:29
You made a huge effort to assemble all those pictures and lay out the history of an iconic complication. Excellent. Cheers to you!

It took a little time indeed Padj

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 23rd, 2015-14:20
But when it is a motivating subject you "nearly) don't feel it! Thank you for your words, much appreciated. Cheers, Mark

wonderful coverage

 
 By: 1688 : December 22nd, 2015-17:43
Thanks for the comprehensive coverage of the world time reference.... Can't wait to see what's new for 2016 Basel from Patek regarding the 10th anniversary of the ref 5130. Is it possible to see something NEW?!? hmm....

My pleasure

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 23rd, 2015-14:23
I thought it would be interesting to gather them for a long overview. Indeed the current 5130 has been in the catalogue since 2006 and I had the same thoughts lately: will it soon be replaced? I don't know because of the 5131P still to come but we'll see ... 

Thanks Mark , very informative.

 
 By: geross : December 22nd, 2015-17:52
The DNA of the worldtime goes along way. Truly a practical and beautiful tumepiece. Cheers Geross

Thank you Geross! I think it is indeed a more iconic piece for Patek than I thought

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 23rd, 2015-14:25
and I took great pleasure in educating myself when gathering information. You said it Geross: DNA! Cheers, Mark

That's an awesome read, makes me feel a PP WT is a must have...

 
 By: Clueless_Collector : December 22nd, 2015-21:46
in the collection. Thank you for this informative post. Rgds Raymond

You know what? While writing the post and getting the information...

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 23rd, 2015-14:28
... I came to realize the same thing as you do. Hence, I think this is something I would like to get too. Until that day, thanks for your nice words Raymond! Cheers, Mark

Thank you and...

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 23rd, 2015-14:32
you're welcome! Congratulations for your 5130 and its so beautiful hands, I hope you enjoy it as much as you can! Cheers, Mark

Thanks again Mark

 
 By: srvjrg : December 23rd, 2015-18:59
Jorge.

The Patek World Time is an icon, indeed.

 
 By: amanico : December 22nd, 2015-22:56
There are several in the market, since 2000, but none can beat a 5110, in terms of charm. None. Not even the later Patek references. The proortions of the dial, 24 hours ring, cities ring and case were thought to work together in harmony. The later refere...  

For once, I think you are right!

 
 By: fernando : December 22nd, 2015-23:58
Well maybe more than once. However, this is the one that didn't need too much convincing as everything about it points to it being an eternal beauty and a definite keeper. Thank you for doing what you do best. Merry X'mas! Fernando

We had that discussion lately at Belles Montres...

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 23rd, 2015-14:36
...and you know my opinion already! There are quite significant differences between the 2 last modern versions and we seem to have balanced appeal for both of them. However, I'm also very attracted by the 5110 too. Such a beautiful piece. Enjoy yours agai... 

I owned both, indeed. The 5110P and the 5130G.

 
 By: amanico : December 23rd, 2015-14:41
After three years, the 5130 was out... The 5110P killed it. For the reasons I mentioned. And I love the Patek WT so much that I tried to convince myself to keep the 5130G... Best, Nicolas

Platinum!!

 
 By: charcoal6666collector : December 29th, 2016-07:00
This Platinum 5110 is way better than 5130 or the latest 5230, early 5110 is simply is the best.

Fantastic post Mark! Happy Holidays:

 
 By: keks : December 22nd, 2015-23:48
...  

Thank you keks!

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 23rd, 2015-14:40
this is so enjoying for us to see such a beautiful and exclusive watch as your 5131. I'd love to have a rose gold version but it is a hard task. Thanks for your kind comments again and enjoy your beauty! Cheers, Mark

Thank you Mark ..

 
 By: fernando : December 23rd, 2015-00:04
for such an interesting and well thought out article on the WT complication. Here's a pic. to share of the 5110P: A very Merry Christmas to you! Fernando ...  

Gorgeous shot for a beautiful reference

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 23rd, 2015-15:18
Congratulations and take care of "her"! It was a real pleasure working on this subject and sharing with you all, thank you for your nice words Fernando. Cheers, Mark

GREAT post Mark ++++

 
 By: patrickh : December 23rd, 2015-03:26
Many thanks to summurize the WT PP historic models. Like you, Rose Gold versions have my favour: 5110R and 5131R . Merry Christmas, Patrickh

Very nice Limited Edition. First time I see it.

 
 By: patrickh : December 23rd, 2015-04:14
Thanks for sharing Keks, Merry Chritsmas holidays, Patrickh

Thanks for sharing keks

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 24th, 2015-03:48
I didn't see this version yet. The external colored ring is a detail most of other limited editions don't have. It is a nice choice and I imagine it plays on the size of the watch too. Cheers, Mark

Thank you Patrick!

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 24th, 2015-03:47
You already know what I think about these references, there is so much to love. Have a great Christmas time Patrick. Cheers, Mark

Thank you for your wishes and kind comments Nick

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 24th, 2015-15:56
I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it and found it informative, this is indeed a lot of historical data to learn about and help understanding Patek a little more (I hope!). Have a nice Christmas time! Cheers, Mark

Great article!

 
 By: tempus : December 23rd, 2015-05:58
Thank you very much Mark for your great post! A nice education for every collector! I wish you a merry christmas and a happy new year! Best Tempus

I'm happy you liked it Tempus

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 24th, 2015-16:00
Among your very beautiful collection and latest arrivings, I'm glad you found a little room for enjoying this historical material. Thank you very much and have a good Christmas time too! Cheers, Mark

There are some pictures I remmebr seeing on our forum

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 24th, 2015-16:03
Thanks for sharing them again, especially the last one which gathers two beauties. They are indeed references that are worthy of the brand's history and deserve attention! Thank you for your warm compliments Gordon, as always. Cheers, Mark

Wonderful post Mark!

 
 By: agyzace : December 23rd, 2015-07:58
Thank you very much! All the best, Alex

My pleasure Alex!

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 25th, 2015-06:25
Glad you enjoyed it. Cheers, Mark

It is indeed a great complication...

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 25th, 2015-06:36
...and one of the very usefull ones I think. Thank you very much for your compliments Descartes! Cheers, Mark

Once again, a very nice - and actual - post.

 
 By: dr.kol : December 23rd, 2015-22:09
Thank you Mark. My dream is that the next generation of World Time would have two buttons to adjust the time. That would make travelling both westwards and eastwards as easy. With the current models travelling i.e. from Paris to London requires 23 pushes ... 

Up to date.

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 25th, 2015-06:46
Indeed, it is maybe my wish to go further that made me write about it too. Who knows... I think it is a very interesting suggestion: when I "experienced" the TZ change myself, I thought it ould be a nice feature to add. In the mean time, I think adding an... 

Amazing post my friend !

 
 By: Mike H : December 24th, 2015-08:02
Thank you for the huge research work ; that is again one of these reference post that must be kept in our archives ! I also share your opinion as you know well, the P and the R are also my favorites ; and your pics of both versions are just 10/10 ! ;-))) ... 

Hey Mike thank you!

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 26th, 2015-07:17
Your warm comment are very highly appreciated As a World Time "connoisseur", I'm glad you liked it. it took quite much time to make but I thought it was an important line to talk about... and you know that I like a couple in particular. Have a nice time w... 

thank you

 
 By: Bruno.M1 : December 25th, 2015-05:44
that was very good to read! nice piece of information you wrote here

My pleasure Bruno

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 28th, 2015-08:43
And thank you for having shared your 5131R. I hope you enjoy it well! Cheers, Mark

A breath-taking review

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : December 27th, 2015-12:16
Firstly, thank you Mark for taking the time and trouble to compile such an exhaustive review. Just superb. Secondly, this is a complication that has captured me quite a bit. Presenting the complication in this way has really helped to place the various de... 

From the 5110G owner that your are, I higly appreciate your comments Joe

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 28th, 2015-13:54
You pics are on my computer in order to admire them from time to time. I think as well that it has been cleverly designed. We'll see if in 2016 we'll have some novelties about this ref... or not Enjoy yours and thanks again for you kind words Joe. Cheers,... 

Thanks a lot. If I may suggest a small correction

 
 By: DCC : December 28th, 2015-09:30
Mark, Many thanks for this overview. Please note that the 96 HU is not a unique watch as two distinct 96 HU's were sold in late 2011 by Christie’s and Sotheby’s respectively. Cheers and best wishes This message has been edited by DCC on 2015-12-28 09:31:5...  

My pleasure Dcc!

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 29th, 2015-09:01
Thank you for sharing this update, I'll edit my post concerning the 96HU. Between the beginning of my work on this article and the end I went from unique to 2, 3, etc... for some references. I don't know if the 5131G is yours (if it is congratulations) bu... 

The 5131G is indeed mine

 
 By: DCC : January 1st, 2016-03:56
As you are in Paris, French should be quite familiar to you so you may find some more details here: Some figures need to be updated as for example, a 2523 that was not known to the market so far was recently sold by Sotheby's bringing the number of we... 

You've done a really great and educative job Dcc

 
 By: Mark in Paris : January 2nd, 2016-07:41
Thank you for sharing, it reminds me I read some of them long ago. Cheers, Mark

This report requires a bookmark.

 
 By: masterspiece : December 31st, 2015-10:22
Thank you, Mark, for the history of the birth and consecutive generations of the PPWT. For me, the 5110 is by far my most favorite WT. Even more so than the coveted 5131. Aloha, Bob

I thought it is an important part of Patek's historical references.

 
 By: Mark in Paris : January 1st, 2016-04:12
We are many here to share this strong appeal for the 5110. Thank you Bob for your very nice comments and have a nice week-end! Cheers, Mark

Wonderful article...

 
 By: Rosengoo1 : January 3rd, 2016-08:35
Thanks for this well thought out and educated piece. It's always a please to read about world timers.

Thank you!

 
 By: Mark in Paris : January 11th, 2016-15:39
I thought it could be refreshing. Cheers, Mark

How did I miss this post.....

 
 By: watercolors : May 18th, 2016-10:42
...Thank you Mark in Paris for very nice presentation. Best Regards Edward

Some articles end sometimes quickly at the bottom of the forum

 
 By: Mark in Paris : May 18th, 2016-14:11
Thanks for your nice comments Edward, I'm glad you enjoyed it Cheers, Mark

Looks like this one was afloat....

 
 By: watercolors : May 19th, 2016-03:34
for a while. Rather it was my superficial browsing In any event, often they are more than worthy to resurface, this is the case with this thread. Best Edward

Thank you :) [nt]

 
 By: Mark in Paris : May 19th, 2016-07:44

Spectacular summary! My personal fav must be the Geneva Lake… sublime!

 
 By: keks : May 18th, 2016-12:25
adding the so gorgeous Beirut edition This message has been edited by keks on 2016-05-18 12:31:52 ...  

Indeed that version is very attractive

 
 By: Mark in Paris : May 18th, 2016-14:13
I think I saw this picture on the net as well and thought "how cool is that!" Thanks for the reminder. Cheers, Mark

Fantastic article! Thanks Mark

 
 By: descartes1 : May 18th, 2016-11:38
I\'ll consider it a roll call ...  

Yes, you can.... consider it so!

 
 By: Mark in Paris : May 18th, 2016-14:14
Thank you very much Cheers, Mark

Amazing article.

 
 By: powerydrive : December 3rd, 2016-10:22
Thanks for the wonderful learning.

A fantastic thread that has been resurrected

 
 By: Patekphilippecollector : December 3rd, 2016-20:34
My favourite is the 5131G and I just hope that a P comes out with the same Africa continent. I would also hope that one day that PP re-incorporates some of those interim Time Zones like India. Seems silly that a nation of 1 billion is excluded but then i ... 

Those 5131 have a very special place indeed

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 5th, 2016-07:23
They bring a poetry and a craftmanship that is completely coherent with the brand's hostory and the reference's theme. I agree with you about the continent choice: Africa and the yellow shades are very appealing and I must say I also like the snowy parts ... 

My pleasure!

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 4th, 2016-14:29
I'm glad you enjoyed it, thanks

What an information rich WT report. Thank you.

 
 By: jimjenkins : December 4th, 2016-19:43
I did not realize that Moscow was first GMT +2, then GMT+3, then GMT +4, then back to GMT +3 now. This variability in Moscow GMT, especially in recent years, and the possibly of the same in other cities around the world, convinced me that I should stay aw... 

My pleasure Jim!

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 7th, 2016-15:25
This evolution and updating matter is something to consider indeed. I don't personally have this problem, it comes with the watch and, as I don't have the real use for a WT, this would not be a problem (or I can adjust the time adding or removing one hour... 

I'm glad you enjoyed it Chris!

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 13th, 2016-05:10
I found very interesting myself to read about the WT complications and thought it would make a nice article. Thank you for your nice compliment Cheers, Mark

Hi Mark, hi everyone

 
 By: THOMAS.C : November 2nd, 2020-15:01
First it's a great article. Thqnk you for the work done. Merci . May i give you an addition to your post ? " The caliber used for these 1415 and 2523 references was the hand-wound 12-400 ." --- I would rather think that both models (1415 HU et 2523 (2 ver... 

Bravo! [nt]

 
 By: @Patek_Ambassador : November 2nd, 2020-16:21