Opinion and review on the 2015 Patek Philippe 5370P

Sep 12, 2015,15:40 PM
 

Forumners,


After a few months, I think it is a good time to look back at the new Patek Philippe 5370P, unveiled during Baselworld 2015. It is a new reference but is aiming at becoming a future iconic model and from what we understand: it won't be produced at a normal rate.

Aside from the current steel cushion-shaped 5950A or the thin 5959P which are split-seconds chronographs-only (both with the same in-house CH27-525 thin movement), the new Patek Philippe 5370P is the only one which brings this complication combination with a very different in-house movement (CH29-535).

We may also have in mind the old 5004 or now the 5204, which replaced it. However, this last reference, also with the CH29-535 movement base, has a Perpetual Calendar feature.

During these last 10 months when the brand has been celebrating its 175th anniversary, we can certainly say that the 5370P is one of the most appealing novelties presented and even one of the most appealing from this last decade.

Let's make a complete tour of this reference, illustrated with fabulous pictures by Magnus B and Oliver M; Thank you guys.



THE CASE

This new reference is dressed in a 41mm platinum case that is 13.5mm thick. The proportions are very nice and give more strength and presence to the watch than the thinner reference 5950 (with a different case shape). As the dial is black, the watch looks more like a 40mm in-the-metal.

It is covered with a beautiful concave bezel.

To the choice: the little more character for the 5370P or the little more elegance that the very thin other references bring: everyone will have their own preference.





The case remains a very appealing and classical one from the face side reminding us of the reference 130, from the shape of lugs to the concave bezel.

You can see here below a reference 130 version made for Boeing. You'll notice also the strap's stems coming out of the lugs (and thus why the 5370P has white gold "cabochons").





However, when you look at it from the side, you easily notice what I think is a first in Patek Philippe history with the long grooved case band, going from one lug to the other. This decorative element is brushed: making it a polished surface, aside from being near impossible to realize, would not have look as nice as it would have suited a more standard case shape instead.

I'd like to emphasize the fact that, after the dial, it is is the second element you really notice when seeing the watch "live". This case band makes it so unique like no other Patek chronograph you knew before. It gives a lot of character to the model and brings Patek's chronographs in a new aesthetical field.







The "cabochon" parts remind us of older watches: these elements were made to hide the stem holes, back then. Here, it is decorative and a very nice detail you can't miss when reading time. You can notice in the pictures that they are precisely integrated into the lugs as the grooved end is shaped to the cabochon's diameter.







THE CROWN AND PUSHERS

Like many here, I appreciate the monopusher function and I especially like the fact the crown remains small as it usually unbalances the crown side of the case when it is too big.





I also prefer this symmetrical layout (monopusher with 2 standard pushers) rather than a monopusher for start/stop and a little additional unique pusher at 10 or 2 o'clock for the Split-second function. This later solution also doesn't allow usage as precisely of the chronograph function because it resets after you stopped it with the monopusher crown.

Here, it is balanced and usable with 100% of its function.

The pushers are the way I love them: polished with brushed sides. It is hence perfectly coherent with the polished and brushed case's parts.







THE DIAL

The dial is in white gold and filled with enamel. The enameled material is heated at 850°C and goes through a precise cooling process until it is ready for a long polishing work.





What is also really hard to master is how to make enameled dials without any impurities. These residues are more visible in a black dial than in white versions, hence the great difficulty in mastering this complex process.
On these pictures you can quite clearly observe how stunning the dial looks compared to usual painted or even lacquered ones.

I don't think there is another reference in the Patek Philippe Collection giving this result.





The nice Breguet numerals that we also have in the 5170G, for instance, are applied in white gold.





I usually pay strong attention to the white printing on a dark dial as usually it is too contrasted and thus, lacking in refinement for my taste. However, I also understand it may bring a touch of modernism or casual touch to a usually very classical watch.

As far as the 5370P is concerned, you notice the dial is very shiny being made of enamel and very precisely polished. This allows the contrast to be more coherent because it needs to be adequate with the light reflection on the black surface.

You'll also notice in the pictures below, that the little thickness of the markings brings sensuality and looks gorgeous.

I didn't really like the thickness of the new 5905P sub-dial printing as there it looks much less elegant and brings much more visual weight to this side of the dial.

Here, in the 5370P, I find them perfect.





In the recent past, Patek Philippe chronographs have had different versions of scales: since the 3970, 5070, 5970 to the 5170 or various models of the 5270 (see my post here concerning the place of the 5170G reference in the brand history: www.watchprosite.com ). My personal favorites are used in the 5370P, whether they are Tachymetric or Pulsometric, although I have a little preference for the latter (except if the dials are too busy).

I think it perfectly balances the subsidiary dials™ scales and help give life to the very dark dial color. I think that with such a glossy dial, having less printings and different hands colors than we have here would have led to a very dark watch. It would have been different with a satin or matte dial finish.




THE HANDS

When having a closer look at the leaf  hands, with luminous coating that is usually a sportier feature, I think it makes the watch even more unique as it remains classical as well. Together with the black dial, it brings a little romanticism. I think that Stick or Dauphine hands would have had a completely different impact, more modern but less "authentic" in the look.

By the way, the luminous coating from the hands already brings this touch of casual spirit.

That way, the watch really seems to come from the early 20th century instead of the 60's/70's period. This is something I appreciate very much for that model.







INSIDE THE 5370P

The 29.6mm movement is the same new in-house chronograph base already seen in the 5204 reference: in this case, the CHR 29-535 PS (manually wound, column wheel, horizontal clutch).

In this configuration it has a 55h to 65h power reserve and beats quite fast at 28,800 vph.

It has gained a number of new patented innovations compared to the simple chronograph movement used in the 5170.

As in the 5204, the movement is equipped with an isolator when timing is stopped to reduce friction and power loss between the chronograph and the split-second module wheels.




 
These are what can be noticed about the caliber's innovations. They are not just "marketing" evolutions but interesting and sometimes very simple features:

- Clutch wheels with patented tooth profiles boost efficiency in power transmission and reduce wear.

- The mesh depth of the clutch wheels is not adjusted with an eccentric next to the clutch lever; this is done much more precisely and easily with an eccentric column wheel cap at the outermost end of the clutch lever.

- Self-adjusting hammers in jewel bearings simplify the servicing procedure.

- The brake lever that stops the chronograph wheel is directly synchronized with the clutch lever.

- The slotted minute-counter cam coasts the chronograph and split-seconds hands to a stop rather than abruptly blocking them.

These new features of the mechanical chronograph are joined by innovations dedicated exclusively to the split-seconds function:

- When lap times are stopped, a newly designed isolator uncouples the split-seconds wheel from the chronograph wheel to eliminate unwanted friction and prevent a degradation of balance amplitude while the split-seconds hand is immobilized.

- The split-seconds lever positions a ruby roller between two flat heart-cam shoulders keeps the chronograph and split-seconds hands precisely aligned as long as they are superposed.





I think the technicality performance is not only assessed by how complex a movement is or by the number of component parts, but also when it brings improvement with simple solutions.

Aesthetically speaking, I think it looks gorgeous and brings this modern reference a step forward from the previous 5004 reference in terms of design (not in terms of finishing which remain equivalent). The finishing is top notch and this central bridge always amazed me. It is as impressive aesthetically, as the 5950's CH27-525 caliber.

As for the exemplary finishing, most parts (steel) are chamfered and the split-seconds clamps are highly polished.

I must say I prefer steel instead of German silver as I'm not fond of the "yellow" patina. I don't know about the resistance issue but I wonder if steel is stronger than German silver? Can someone please confirm or otherwise?






I really think there is no point in opposing or ranking these movements. They correspond with the technical expectations from the brand for each model and they reach another level from the usual, still very nice, 324 and 240 calibers.

The movement CH29-535 PS is another very significant reason to be attracted to this 5370P.

As usual, the watch is provided with a see-through caseback as well as the plain one.







In conclusion, I know that some members here are willing to apply for this watch and I just can congratulate them for this choice and hope they will succeed in holding it soon.

It is easy to feel how much pleasure the owner will find in wearing this 5370P. It must be a very special feeling, wearing something unique and absolutely gorgeous.

This new 5370P is a very clever composition from what the brand's knows best when dealing with finishing, aesthetics or mechanics.

Hope you enjoyed this review and feel free to share with us what you think of this new reference in the Patek Philippe Collection.


Cheers,

Mark In Paris





This message has been edited by Mark in Paris on 2015-09-14 14:32:00


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What I think of 5370? I am so disappointed...

 
 By: Mike H : September 12th, 2015-16:09
... that I shall be far from being able to apply for one. But as a dream, it is a wonderful one ! ;-))) Thanks for this great review Mark. Mike

This is so true

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 13th, 2015-03:40
Patek has produced so much beautiful and interesting chronograph models. However, this one is I think the most appealing for this complication or simpler versions. I wished there was a more affordable similar model but, wouldn't we see too much of it if i... 

Fantastic work again Mark, thank you!

 
 By: dr.kol : September 12th, 2015-23:44
I will handle 5370P for the first time on the coming Friday. But I ordered it a long time ago and I expect it next year. The best recommendation was when a Patek executive said me in May that "5370P is perhaps the finest reference we have made in decades"... 

My pleasure Kari

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 13th, 2015-03:45
and thank you for your very nice words. I thought about some of you when writing the article and I really feel this is the right move when considering what this watch gathers. You talk about patience and I think that seeing it on Friday will make you want... 

Handling 5370P is just a part of the fun...

 
 By: dr.kol : September 13th, 2015-03:49
I have been promised that I will see something very special which would not explode my bank account. Let's see. Plus I will pick up my 8th Patek of 2015. I think it's enough for one year unless I will see something stunning and cheap. Sounds like "mission... 

Exciting Kari

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 13th, 2015-03:57
I wonder what this is... Even if the 5370P will remain the "main course" ! These are many watches you bought but what I like is the way you do it: always really knowing what you'll be finding and with a great interest in details. I appreciate that "philos... 

The coming 5370P

 
 By: dr.kol : September 20th, 2015-07:37
is just an appetiser while waiting for the main course. I just heard that still about one year before the main course will be served. That will be a champagne dinner. Best, Kari

Less watches in 2016 but even more exciting

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 20th, 2015-13:41
I wish you can take the time to savour them as much as they deserve! Cheers, Mark

Who knows...

 
 By: dr.kol : September 20th, 2015-15:28
Now my thoughts are in 5370P and I hope that I will get it during the coming 6-7 months. It's always nice to plan next year and limiting the number of new watches. But what happens if Patek will introduce a nice 40th Anniversary Nautilus. Or an automatic ... 

I agree we never know

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 21st, 2015-02:35
And I guess this is also nice to be surprised with a novelty we didn't expect. Who knows, the Nautilus will maybe be stunning? I see that you would like an automatic chrono? Most of the people talk about manual. I'm quite an automatic guy and even if I li... 

I am not actually short of chronographs

 
 By: dr.kol : September 21st, 2015-03:04
and this year I got i.e. PP 5960/1A and 5980/1A. I'm waiting for 5370P plus another I will pick up any time quite soon. But an automatic chronograph in platinum, see through back plus normal minute and hour counters would be nice. Such a watch does not re... 

I don't think It is planned but would be a nice surprise

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 22nd, 2015-14:07
Currently I must say I'm really into the Chrono-PC models, whether it is a 5970R or a 5270R. Not many I would like to purchase but the few ones are piece of history (or future so). Cheers, Mark

Finally Patek releases a manual Chronogaph which is nicer than the 5070.

 
 By: amanico : September 12th, 2015-23:56
Here, which really sings to me is the: - Case: good size, proportions, not too mannered, just enough to really be appealing. - The coaxial pusher which reveals the presence of the... - Rattrapante! There are not so many in the market. But it is a magic ch... 

I think we all agree

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 13th, 2015-03:50
This is a great move from patek. You're right to mention the case has what it needs to be interesting without being boring or too classical: it has the thing which makes it different and appealing (like the 5070 has) A little precision though: the sub-dia... 

No real flaws, indeed. Except maybe the presence of luminova on hands,

 
 By: amanico : September 13th, 2015-04:51
Which was not really necessary. But this is a minor " less ". Best, Nicolas

This is a detail I didn't know if I would prefer with or without

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 13th, 2015-06:06
Very hard to tell but now that I'm used to seeing the 5370P with it, I think that a normal hand would have seem a little boring in comparision. As you say, this is a minor detail :) Cheers, Mark

I can understand that

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 13th, 2015-07:08
I remember when I saw the Lange 1, black dial which had luminous hands (don't remember the name), I didn't like this detail at the time. Maybe it is because I saw normal hands Lange1 before that, as, here, this is the first 5370P version we see

almost

 
 By: Bruno.M1 : September 13th, 2015-05:43
but still not better case & dial, 5070 still wins put this movement in a 5070 and you have the perfect watch

He he, interesting.

 
 By: amanico : September 13th, 2015-06:26
I have ( if possible ) to see it in the flesh, to be sure that I prefer the case of this 5370 over the 5070. As for the dial, give me a 5070 enamel dial and I will be in heaven. Best, Bruno. Nicolas

They are really completly different

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 13th, 2015-06:32
However, I think the 5070's case is good but what makes it so appealing is the combo with the dial: it is the oeverall look. The 5370P too of course but if you take only the case, I think the 5370P's is more interesting and unique. You'll tell us!

dial

 
 By: Bruno.M1 : September 13th, 2015-06:34
[URL=] [/URL] ...  

is it possible to use the OLD software ? The previous layout was imo better

 
 By: Bruno.M1 : September 13th, 2015-06:38
I might be in a minority but I do not like this new site :-( Not on my Mac and not on my Iphone I sometimes have difficulties to make a reply ( probably did something wrong) And I can't find the 'edit' function anymore

and

 
 By: Bruno.M1 : September 13th, 2015-06:39
not only the 'edit' but also the 'preview' when you want to post a reply ? Is that function gone or didn't I see it ?

Preview

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 13th, 2015-07:22
The preview button is now in the menu bar when you type your text (on the right next to HTML button) ...  

I agree.

 
 By: dr.kol : September 13th, 2015-06:47
The new layout is both messy and unpleasant to use. Why to fix something when it's working well... Best, Kari

I'm sorry too Kari

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 13th, 2015-07:28
This is not very comfortable to start with a new UI. But for instance the reply function, the more I use it, the more I find it nice to use. Everything is not perfect yet but give this UI a chance. In fact, 50% of our members use a desktop/laptop while th... 

I'm sorry Bruno but the new interface is the only one

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 13th, 2015-07:16
I started using it 3 days ago and I know it is not pleasant to change habits at the begginning but I start to find my marks now and must say I even find some features more interesting than with the previous interface. We will bring evolution as time goes ... 

Edit button

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 13th, 2015-07:18
another thing: there is a bug which makes the Edit button disappear. You have to log off and log in again and it will appear. Bill will fix this soon

Sorry to hijack the thread

 
 By: Bruno.M1 : September 13th, 2015-07:21
But all the PM I've sent and received in the past..... Where can I find them?

On the bleu bandeau, click on the red body...

 
 By: amanico : September 13th, 2015-07:24
Here.... Above your avatar... Then you will see Private Messages. Click on it.

We are working hard for you Bruno.M1

 
 By: Bill : September 14th, 2015-17:51
I was a big transition and we are still tuning. Edit should still be in place for the customary 30 minutes. The quickest way to get to your post after using the reply button is by clicking on the little head top right menu and choice "My Posts" pick the p... 

Would be great

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 13th, 2015-07:29
as I love lacquered or enameld glossy dials. The problem is than we may have then too much black dial as we are starting to have many blue ones too A tough dosage!

So, a white enameled version would have been cool.

 
 By: amanico : September 13th, 2015-07:33
Maybe Patek will come back with 5 to 10 new 5070 next year, with such an enamel dial? :) Best, nicolas

lol

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 13th, 2015-07:39
...but yes you're right! I guess they'll keep enamel dials for much more expensive watches, even if I love your idea. Why not a little serie for the 176th Anniversary :) Cheers, Mark

Another great write up, Mark!

 
 By: gensiulia : September 13th, 2015-00:00
although I'm not convinced about the 41mm size of the case...the watch seems to be very well balanced on the wrist (of course, for that wrist). talking on a purely aesthetic impact, the 5370P is sensational, it's gorgeous! I always had a bit of trouble ac... 

Thank you very much Chris!

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 13th, 2015-14:06
Yes, I think the decentralized sub-dials work very well here (even if I never had a problem with this issue as I even prefer a balanced position with the brand's tag rather than 2 subdials at 3 and 9 which are usually squeezed between the outer scale and ... 

Spectacular post again Mark! A joy to read, thanks for posting

 
 By: keks : September 13th, 2015-00:09
It is a thing of pure beauty this 5370P… a dream to most of us so being able to see detailed photos and reading more about it here is great!

Yes a dream watch for Patek enthusiasts

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 13th, 2015-14:08
Hope to see one again in the future. Thanks for your nice comments keks! Cheers, Mark

great post, thank you

 
 By: Bruno.M1 : September 13th, 2015-00:24
that is a 99% perfect watch. For sure one of the best they made since 2010 Very nice dial, great case, unbelievable movement and a very good size Why 99% and not 100 ? I prefer the sundials to be perfect aligned at 3 and 9 o'clock any not a bit below And ... 

+1 on Luminova, Bruno. Good point. That detail jumped in my eyes.

 
 By: amanico : September 13th, 2015-00:42
BUT I forgot it when looking at the rest of the watch. +1! Best, Nicolas

My pleasure Bruno!

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 13th, 2015-07:50
I know the competition with new releases is tough when one possesses a 5070 but they don't lack talent at Patek :) You had this watch in your hands if I remember well, I'm glad you give such an opinion about this model. Thanks for your kind words about th... 

movement

 
 By: Bruno.M1 : September 13th, 2015-06:41
and btw .... this looks MUCH better than the Datograpgh movement MUCH BETTER [URL=] [/URL] ...  

Good question!

 
 By: vitalsigns : September 13th, 2015-06:58
No easy answer here, IMO.

No, not that easy because the extra parts of the rattrapante complication contribute...

 
 By: amanico : September 13th, 2015-07:07
A lot to the charm of these movements, compared to their no split brothers... Best, Nicolas

I think I would have to choose the double split

 
 By: vitalsigns : September 13th, 2015-12:38
It displays its complexity so well so incredibly three dimensional that said, I am usually partial to the Swiss aesthetic

Far from being easy and will remain I think very personal

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 13th, 2015-14:11
It will depend on how we cope with the aesthetics, the size, the wearability, what we want from a caliber, the importance of the technical aspects etc... One should have both! Cheers, Mark

yes

 
 By: Bruno.M1 : September 13th, 2015-08:57
yes better the the DS too personal opinion ofcourse but those blued screens and gold chatons are imo very overrated

pardon, pardon,pardon: the DS movement is an unmachted piece of engineering ...

 
 By: COUNT DE MONET : September 13th, 2015-10:17
... and surely a "historically important watch", inho. Clock work that is integrated in the minute counter's wheel column, centrally positioned chrono- and (!) rattrapante wheels and last not but least an isolator mechanism that looks (strikingly) similar... 

Plus One, dear Count. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : September 13th, 2015-10:31
No message body

I was not talking about the technical aspects moritz

 
 By: Bruno.M1 : September 13th, 2015-12:10
May be the DS is more advanced or more special but just looking at how the movement looks..... I prefer this patek movement

I am sure that the DS movement will create a bigger "wow!" to the untrained eye than ...

 
 By: COUNT DE MONET : September 13th, 2015-12:52
... Patek's ss chrono will. Just because of the "mighty snake pit" -look of it and the shine of the German Silver. This Patek calibre looks, albeit very slick, a little higgledy-piggledy and all over the place. Patek's 5959 ss chrono movement in contrast ... 

DS

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 13th, 2015-13:53
The DS is a fantastic watch, maybe the best of its kind, especially since it adds a "double split" minute chrono hand too. Many article were written about its features. We were with Bruno only talking about aesthetics and personnal taste. The shape of rbi... 

It is much more my taste too Bruno

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 13th, 2015-07:52
Even if I don't know if I could say which one is the best in terms of finishing for instance. However, when I got this picture I remained quite a while looking at it...

Here I would beg to differ dear Bruno :)

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : September 13th, 2015-12:26
Beauty is in the eye of beholder Yours D

Indeed Damjan, finding the Patek or the ALS caliber better looking is subjective, I agree

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 13th, 2015-13:35
More or less depth, more or less blued screws and gold chatons etc.... I would like to look at the anglage side by side though. But we should also consider the production numbers. Cheers, Mark

Great review, and breathtaking watch

 
 By: vitalsigns : September 13th, 2015-07:02
Absolutely one of my all time Patek favorites. Just about everything is right about this piece, and taken to the Nth degree. Stunningly beautiful. Magically complex. Bold, but not arrogant size. The dial and case work are sex on the wrist. Tremendous sens... 

I think your feeling is widely shared about this reference

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 15th, 2015-06:57
The difference between a nice watch and the nicest version, i.e. bringing perfection in many aspects instead of just "good". Perfectly well summed up John, thanks :) Cheers, Mark

I think it has become a grail for many Patek fans

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 19th, 2015-05:58
It is difficult to find an area where something is wrong, even if it remains a subjective exercize too. Thanks beejo. Cheers, Mark

German Silver, twice assembled and last but not lesat 60 minutes of stopage time...

 
 By: COUNT DE MONET : September 13th, 2015-09:58
... make the 5959 p still the "better" choice , for me. You are asking whether German silver is more durable than steel but durability is not the question if you use German Silver. You can treat German Silver with acids and give it a black look by doing s... 

Re:

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 13th, 2015-13:45
Well Moritz, as I said I don't really want to compare each caliber with each other, especially because there is a lot of subjective elements and that we should be comparing them side by side, which is hard to do. However, I think there is no question abou... 

Indeed: 100k makes a difference

 
 By: COUNT DE MONET : September 14th, 2015-01:41
It wasn't aware that there is such a difference in terms of price between the 5959 and 5370. As far as I know the 5959 calibre is made of German Silver and hence the connection to it. Best Moritz

ooh.....i think we would need to agree to disagree on this!

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 22nd, 2016-07:46
Take price out of the equation......the 5370 would win quite comfortably for me. I think a few PP watches over history have captured something special. That something special is always very tricky to define. It is often a balance of the dial...or maybe a ... 

successs, a very fleeting thing

 
 By: COUNT DE MONET : October 23rd, 2016-04:11
The best PP in the last decade was to me: the 5170. The success of the 5070 was, maybe mostly, driven by the fact that PP released a new manual chronograph in 60 or so years. The well informed collectors, an investors, made a run for this piece and the ni... 

Vive la difference, my friend!

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 23rd, 2016-04:44
And yes, we can agree on the 3448!! 5170, for me, is just not one I appreciate so much. I think it falls so much in the shade of the 5070 that it suffers by comparison. It doesn't make me "right", but it is my view. The 5370.....uhm, i think that is a dif... 

I can settle on the 5370 as pinacle in the chrono weight category

 
 By: COUNT DE MONET : October 23rd, 2016-04:53
as there are some very heavy weights in the other complication categories !

decisions decisions!!!

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 23rd, 2016-05:16
In Minute Repeaters we have yet another league up! What do you think of the 5970....for me, that is a complication up and superb....that would be on my list of Top 3 watches of last 20 years.....i mean production watches ... not special one-offs or super-... 

well, the 5970's success was in hindsight also credited to investors

 
 By: COUNT DE MONET : October 31st, 2016-10:24
the current 5270 is much, much more appealing to me than the 5970. Portholes of the 5270 are not to everybody's taste but I like them a lot! As a collector's piece the 5970 should be in the collection but the 5270 deserves it more. Best Moritz

we must agree to disagree again!!

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 31st, 2016-10:30
Like the 5070, the 5970 has an aesthetic and balance to my eye that is perfect. Balance makes a big difference to me on this......I once owned a 5970P and sold it......I would love to get it back. On equivalent pricing, i would take the 5970 over the 5270... 

when it was first issued....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 31st, 2016-10:53
....i bought one as new from PP. I also had the 5070P. Between the two watches, my 5970P never got wrist-time...the 5070P always claimed my wrist-time. But it was a mistake to sell it...i regret it.

a picture from the era...aggghhhh

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 31st, 2016-10:56
...  

not to add insult to injury but if you happen to have two 5070

 
 By: COUNT DE MONET : October 31st, 2016-13:44
... why did you let the 5970 go and not a 5070? I am sure you had a good reason for that but still a surprising move.

a good question....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : November 1st, 2016-02:15
.....partly favouritism. The 5070G never got to my wrist ahead of the 5070P.....so i let both 5070G and 5970P go. At the time, i was accumulating vintage Rolex......so was evaluating just how much I wanted the 5070G and 5970P relative to not only the 5070... 

Great review as always Mark- sorry late to this party

 
 By: watch-guy.com : September 16th, 2015-02:25
This lookalike a killer PP I think it has all the right features 1. Size 2. part case 3. Enamel dial 4. Brilliant movement However I think the price is a killer- as with all PP at this stratospheric level. I would dearly like to own one . I have just trie... 

Yes we can say we will remember it for long!

 
 By: Mark in Paris : September 23rd, 2015-08:19
The 5170G black dial is in that matter a very interesting offer indeed. A watch to dream about and a witness of the brand's skills The 5004 has a Perpetual Calendar in addition to the Split-second feature and at a quite higher budget. One of them is diffi... 

A truly exquisite watch.

 
 By: Rainer B. : September 25th, 2015-14:44
Thank you for the report and photos.

My pleasure Rainer

 
 By: Mark in Paris : October 7th, 2015-08:03
A very beautiful and well born reference indeed. Cheers, Mark

Just had to re-read this......

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 22nd, 2016-04:59
.....given Zabreg's recent acquisition....i needed to re-read your review. Mark, I think your review is the best review of this watch anywhere. It is an inspired and excellent review. What a watch.

Joe, thank you for your very kind comments,

 
 By: Mark in Paris : October 22nd, 2016-05:37
very much appreciated. The pictures from Magnus and Oliver helped a lot :p Have a nice week-end Cheers, Mark

+ 1000 but...

 
 By: Mike H : October 22nd, 2016-06:56
...that brings me back to my earlier remark : I am so disappointed... ...that this beauty is definitely out of reach... Never mind, I shall leave happy with mine as I am not totally out of nice ones also. But this 5370 P is really a killer I must say. Tha... 

I am so glad this review was resurrected.

 
 By: Chimaera : October 22nd, 2016-07:49
A brilliant review, with outstanding photos of a wonderful piece. Everything about this piece is so right. My only gripe is that it is "right" i.e. As an awkward leftie (preferred hand, not political stance) the mono-pusher doesn\'t work for me. Though fo... 

This reference is indeed a very special one

 
 By: Mark in Paris : October 23rd, 2016-10:44
This is definitely the kind of pieces that adds a little brick to the myth of the brand. Thank you for your very nice comments Cheers, Mark

Magnificent write up!!

 
 By: Watcholic_id : October 23rd, 2016-02:04
Really enjoy your review. And the pictures are truly breathtaking! This ref. is one of the best modern PP, IMHO. Thank you for sharing such a great insights & pics

Yes, it is definitely the birth of a very important piece

 
 By: Mark in Paris : October 28th, 2016-14:21
Thanks for your comments, it's my pleasure! Cheers, Mark

Mark, thank you for your incredible detailed report and beautiful images of the 5370P!

 
 By: patekova : October 23rd, 2016-15:43
While I do not own this watch I have had the great pleasure of having it on my wrist and for me this amazing watch (in every respect) is one of the best watches of Patek's modern era, which I think of as post 1985. For me, it has the "wow" factor x 10! Be... 

You're too kind

 
 By: Mark in Paris : October 28th, 2016-14:23
The images of Magnus and Oliver are indeed breathtaking and did a lot for the article We are lucky also to have some owners posting theirs lately. A piece that emphasizes what we like in Patek Philippe and why we do so. Thanks for sharing your feeling! Ch... 

Great Review !

 
 By: k2luxury : November 29th, 2016-22:09
We have seen many of those, stunning piece !

My pleasure :) [nt]

 
 By: Mark in Paris : November 30th, 2016-07:31