Don't get me wrong I do like some italian cars such as the 365 gtb4, the 512BB, the maserati ghibli, the maserati merak and of course the bizzarini 5300 which were some of the finest italian cars of the era

Sep 30, 2017,10:51 AM
 

ever made. BMW,I know a friend of my uncle who had a 3.0 CSL for a period of 10 years, he always complained of poor handling of the car in wet and conditions but also the engine needing an extra fine tuning every 6 months due to carburettors but also one of the biggest drawback of that car was the body frame prone to rust. He later restored it and sold it and bought then a 930 turbo. My uncle's stepbrother had 1980 a Mercedes w116 a 450 sel 6.9 car, handling on dry roads and in curves as well as comfort was top but he disliked the three speed automatic gearbox and the handling of the car on the wet roads, after having owned it till 1988 and taking care meticulously of it, he sold it and bought a 560 sel which is still today his favorite car.

My father before I was born had a 2002 turbo (before that he owned a 1966 Chrysler New Yorker) he owned it from 1973 till 1978. The turbo was very fragile, the fuel consumption was quite huge and the handling was quite poor under wet conditions. He sold it and then bought a Rekord E1 that he kept till 1988.

You literally killed me of laughter when saying "American muscle cars from the 60's and 70's couldn't take curves worth a damn and had dead feeling suspensions and steering - they were lumbering hulks using sheer brute force to overcome caveman engineering. (I thank you again for that) But who said american cars can't handle nor taking curves? Gnereally this kind of negative talk against muscle cars was generally done European journalists and perhaps people who have never driven cars with zero electronic assistance. Now let me prove you the opposite of how ell an American muscle car can handle not only in straight but also in curves.






Road test by Car & Track of the 1968 Hurst Olds with w33 455

Road test  by Car & Track of the 1971 Olds Delta 1988 455

I do like italian cars for some of them and for german cars, I like more the ones from the 80's-early 00s. We will as usual agree to disagree on some points but as you know passion takes over the reason .I apologize if my point of views are not in agreeance with majority but as I will repeat again, variety and difference is spice of life.

Have a good week end

Best regards

Georges


Road test by Car & Track of the 1969 Plymouth GTX 440 Magnum



Road test by Car & Track of the 1969 Mustang Mach 1 Fastback 428Super Cobra Jet




Road  test by Car & Track of the 1971 Torino GT  Fastback 429 Super Cobra Jet






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Car porn

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : September 29th, 2017-12:43
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Wow, what is the source? [nt]

 
 By: dedestexhes : September 29th, 2017-12:50

Porn indeed!!!!

 
 By: Julian C : September 29th, 2017-12:57
Amazing

The Grand (Porn) Tour!

 
 By: Alkiro1 : September 29th, 2017-13:19
I take the red one. I suppose you have already chosen the purple one to match your Sarpaneva? ๐Ÿ˜‰ Best wishes Alkiro

The orange for me please [nt]

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : September 29th, 2017-13:38

A good thing about THIS porn...

 
 By: marcelo : September 29th, 2017-13:27
...is that it works as a magnet for the OTHER porn.

Marcelo, You Are Cracking Me Up...

 
 By: elliot55 : September 29th, 2017-13:38
... Right now. This is magnet porn. - Scott

HAHAHA!!! I'm glad I enojoyed it Scott!

 
 By: marcelo : September 29th, 2017-16:48
Some days I am truly inspired, but today should not be one, given the news I got that my (I would you an adjective here, but...) salary won't rise.

Damn Portuguese corrector!

 
 By: marcelo : October 1st, 2017-07:21
I meant you and... Some days I am truly inspired, but today should not be one, given the news I got that my (I would USE an adjective here, but...) salary won't rise.

I Think I Know...

 
 By: elliot55 : October 1st, 2017-18:30
... What you mean.

And road side assistance ๐Ÿ˜ [nt]

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : September 29th, 2017-14:02

Lambo Factory Roadside Assistance

 
 By: cazalea : September 29th, 2017-15:33
Somebody called for breakdown assistance? You have a problem with your car, sir? she asked, hitching up her drawers. Yes, I am an expert diagnostician. What seems to be the problem? Oh, you are overheating? Ooh, that seat is low! ...  

Ha! [nt]

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : September 29th, 2017-16:39

I did! I did!!!

 
 By: marcelo : September 29th, 2017-19:03
HAHAHA!!!

Watch the opening credits of "The Italian Job" from 1969. [nt]

 
 By: brauner : September 29th, 2017-14:16
With a song "On Days Like These" from Matt Monro.

I know

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : September 29th, 2017-14:35
Love that song btw! Very nostalgic

It reminds me of Jay Leno's complaint

 
 By: nowhere man : September 29th, 2017-15:07
that "I didn't get any sympathy when I backed my red Miura into my yellow Miura."

LOL [nt]

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : September 29th, 2017-15:19

I didn't get any sympathy when I backed my Lotus Elan into my Honda Insight

 
 By: cazalea : September 29th, 2017-16:01
thus we can surmize that the world in general (and a local neighborhood or spouse, specifically) is curiously unsympathetic! Cazalea

Bahahahahaha ๐Ÿ˜Š [nt]

 
 By: ThomasM : September 30th, 2017-07:00

Concorso Italiano?

 
 By: patrick_y : September 29th, 2017-16:15
My favorite is the green one.

Yellow one please, plus.....

 
 By: nomadgiles : September 30th, 2017-02:22
.....at least two others for spare parts ;-) Fantastic cars - thanks for the post. Best, Giles.

Lambos, especially early Lambos, definitely had their flaws...

 
 By: ThomasM : September 30th, 2017-06:59
And those of us who appreciate and love them do so despite those flaws. Same with Ferraris, Alfas, MOPAR Ford and Chevy and even (gasp) MB BMW and dont get me started on period Audis... American muscle cars from the 60's and 70's couldn't take curves wort... 

Don't get me wrong I do like some italian cars such as the 365 gtb4, the 512BB, the maserati ghibli, the maserati merak and of course the bizzarini 5300 which were some of the finest italian cars of the era

 
 By: georgeszaslavsky : September 30th, 2017-10:51
ever made. BMW,I know a friend of my uncle who had a 3.0 CSL for a period of 10 years, he always complained of poor handling of the car in wet and conditions but also the engine needing an extra fine tuning every 6 months due to carburettors but also one ... 

ok part II of my reply while I couldn't edit properly and correctly in due time

 
 By: georgeszaslavsky : September 30th, 2017-11:48
Road test by Car & track of the 1968 Hurst Olds with 455 Road test by Car & track of the 1971 Oldmosbile Delta 88 with 455 I do like italian cars for some of them and for german cars, I like more the ones from the 80's-early 00s. We will as usual ... 

Georges, you dont need to apologize for holding different opinions "from the majority"

 
 By: ThomasM : September 30th, 2017-15:21
Hi, Georges, As you know, all opinions and points of view are welcome here, so long as they are respectfully presented. But we are very alert to crusades, both pro and con, perpetuation of myths, especially if the reality is known here but not so widely k... 

the miura is a magnifisicently designed car and the miura sv was the best version of the miura ever made.I suppose that the modifications made by Audi to Lambo made things better

 
 By: georgeszaslavsky : September 30th, 2017-16:12
From the late 50's to the early 70's the best handling luxury sedans made in the USA were the imperial crown lebaron sedans for these reasons: -the torsion quiet ride featuring semi elliptic heavy duty leaf springs in the rear with rear torsion bar with s... 

Let's stick to the points you made specifically in this sub-thread

 
 By: ThomasM : September 30th, 2017-17:42
"...these cars are mechanically unreliable and absolute rustbuckets" Hi Georges, How are Miuras mechanically unreliable, vis a vis other highly tuned high strung high performance cars pf the period? Let's start out with baselines, I am neither agreeing no... 

On Miuras, the multiple carburettors (generally 4 WBER IDL40 3bbl Carburetors) needed regularly fine tuning but also the design of the fuel supply was however imperfect, the car being known for a fire hazard of the engine compartment,

 
 By: georgeszaslavsky : October 1st, 2017-02:00
due to combustion (due to the heat of the exhaust manifolds) escaping from the carburetors in the event of blockage of the floaters in the low position. Other thing to consider, Lamborghini formed the engine and gearbox in one casting. Its shared lubricat... 

Thank you, Georges, great read; made me nostalgic. You also confirmed my point...

 
 By: ThomasM : October 1st, 2017-05:20
Rushing out for a 630a drive group meet up, will try to revisit this in more detail later, but in brief - 1. Yes, earlier drivetrain (engine and transmission) lubrication sharing was not ideal. Not really a practical problem during most normal driving, bu... 

I appreciated your reply, I wish too that I was born earlier that I was so that I could appreciate cheap gasoline and run countless quarter miles on Woodward Avenue during the week end

 
 By: georgeszaslavsky : October 1st, 2017-08:38
1) Yes on that we agree. For me what makes something unreliable is the fact that you have to baby it and overtake care of it and because it isn't made to be used in normal or harsh conditions or that it is prone to malfunction after a few months of use. 2... 

Stunning...

 
 By: ThomasM : September 30th, 2017-06:52
I sometimes feel that, during an exotic car gathering, too many all together at once is a bit like being forced to eat a 12 course meal with truffles and foie gras in every course - satiety or worse. But with the wild and different colors, there is enough... 

Being there would make for an awesome day.

 
 By: JerryW : September 30th, 2017-14:14
Great photo.

Yes this picture is sick [nt]

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : February 10th, 2018-16:03