"There is a loneliness in this world so great . . .

Jun 20, 2013,12:14 PM
 

. . . that you can see it in the slow movement of the hands of a clock."

Charles Bukowski, Love is a Dog from Hell





Damjan shared his admiration for Bukowski with us earlier this year.  It should come as no surprise that he strikes a chord with myself as well.  I've never read any of his works, but was mightily impressed by the film Barfly, and know of him, if only tangentially. 

What may come of surprise is the coincidental overlap between his domiciles in Los Angeles and where I lived for a time, and where my uncle still resides.  Click on the link below . . .


www.google.com 48

. . . for a map of his known whereabouts on the east side of LA.  Rentals #14 and #12 are less than half a mile from my family's home on Edgemont, and #32 is just under a mile as the crow flies.  The cluster that contains #15, #17, #19, and #20 is just over a mile, and the cluster between #5 and #11 is under two.  For all the time I've spent in that neighborhood, it's entirely possible that I rubbed shoulders with him at some point in the past.  Perhaps at Jay's Jayburger on the corner of Santa Monica and Virgil, or Cordon's Market on Hollywood, both now shuttered.  It wasn't at the Smogcutter, a watering hole on Virgil; I've never been there, and for good reason - it's the dankest of dive bars imaginable, or so the legend goes. 

Well, I'm about to take a trip back in time to a bar that Bukowski patronized, and in the dreariest possible location, too - Skid Row, Downtown Los Angeles.  That report will be posted on Saturday.  In the meantime, let's share images of our watches in an unaccustomed way: with haunting backgrounds, smoky, gritty, and bleak.  Think of whiskey and cigarettes, concrete and weeds.

   



This will be the thread less traveled, methinks.

Art




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You are the King of Prelude

 
 By: Ares501 : June 20th, 2013-13:03
my dear friend allow me to be of some assistance and to admire your way with words I sanctify this poem to you Bluebird there's a bluebird in my heart that wants to get out but I'm too tough for him, I say, stay in there, I'm not going to let anybody see ... 

Bluebird, you say? . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 20th, 2013-13:40
. . . brings to mind . . . . . . this classic. Perhaps Bukowski thought of it, in an ironic sort of way, when he wrote the poem . . .

Charles would have approved!

 
 By: amanico : June 20th, 2013-14:05
HAGWE. Nicolas ...  

Ah, I was expecting . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 20th, 2013-14:18
. . . the Rasta Rolex instead, considering this week's theme ;-) . . . ...  

LOL!! . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 20th, 2013-14:26
. . . yeah, that photo has 'Bukowski' written all over it ;-) . . .

I found another photo of Charles...

 
 By: amanico : June 20th, 2013-14:28
;) ...  

Drinking Coke Light

 
 By: Ares501 : June 20th, 2013-14:31
come on he can do better than that ;)

Jack and Coke . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 20th, 2013-14:35
. . . is America's cocktail ;-) . . .

No it's not

 
 By: Ares501 : June 20th, 2013-14:36
It's Croatian LOL!

Tell that . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 20th, 2013-14:42
. . . to Lemmy ;-) . . . ...  

..on first occasion....

 
 By: Ares501 : June 20th, 2013-14:48
8-) ...  

Slow . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 20th, 2013-19:44
. . . afternoon? :-)

No just a 3 piece...

 
 By: Ares501 : June 21st, 2013-02:03
starter set ;) My very best D ...  

So is Simon Cowell . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 21st, 2013-10:07
. . . but he's the head honcho of American Idol . Sometimes, the best judges come from afar ;-) . . .

give me Lemmy any day...

 
 By: G99 : June 21st, 2013-10:21
give me Lemmy any day over Simon Cowell :) On 21 Jun 2013 18:07, "www watchprosite" *Alert from:* www:watchprosite > *Posted By:* Dr No (registered) on June 21st, 2013 - 10:07 > > *Title: So is Simon Cowell . . . > * > > *

I didn't know P@trice . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 20th, 2013-14:32
. . . was so American! Drinking Coke Zero, and with a straw, no less ;-) . . .

Charles ?

 
 By: p@trice : June 20th, 2013-23:51
Trieste ... Best Patrice ...  

A Big Plus One, Noodia;

 
 By: amanico : June 21st, 2013-08:47

Ouch !

 
 By: Noodia : June 22nd, 2013-00:27
That is an ultimate one ! I can see now how you'll look like in some years A groovy one ...  

Absolutely ingenius picture

 
 By: Ares501 : June 20th, 2013-14:29
:) see you soon my genius friend Best Damjan ...  

Talking about loneliness ...

 
 By: bimbeano : June 20th, 2013-15:01
.. my wife left me yesterday ... for ten days that is :-) !!! Luck i still have wifi ... Louie and LLD :-) ... . There she goes, flyin' high in the sky .... ... Well, on monday i won't be alone :-) Filip ...  

Let me guess . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 20th, 2013-20:11
. . . Graham is coming to visit? ...  

Naahhh ...

 
 By: bimbeano : June 21st, 2013-02:49
.. he's not in love with me anymore :-) I'm going to meet my Parisian loverboy ! :-)

i still love you Bim...

 
 By: G99 : June 21st, 2013-04:46
i still love you Bim :) G On 21 Jun 2013 10:49, "www watchprosite" *Alert from:* www:watchprosite > *Posted By:* bimbeano (registered) on June 21st, 2013 - 02:49 > > *Title: Naahhh ... > * > > *

Very touching ... .

 
 By: bimbeano : June 21st, 2013-08:21
:-)

time to call friends, and to organize a big party, like when we were children...

 
 By: amanico : June 20th, 2013-21:51
What? We're still children? Yes!!!! Where are the 3 G? Grass, Gin, and Girls? Best, Nicolas

I'm pretty lowflying ...

 
 By: bimbeano : June 21st, 2013-02:49
.. only consumed one bottle of champagne ... yet ... :-)

Alone? :))))

 
 By: amanico : June 21st, 2013-11:00

No, got help ...

 
 By: bimbeano : June 21st, 2013-12:10
... which reminds me i have to put another bottle in the fridge :-)

Talking about friends

 
 By: Ares501 : June 21st, 2013-02:07
here is what Charles said: "If you want to know who your friends are get yourself a jail sentence." :) Soon very soon ;) Cheers Damjan

Must try that once ..

 
 By: bimbeano : June 21st, 2013-02:50
... shouldn't be so hard if i get another bike :-) Bim

Life is sometimes dark

 
 By: blomman : June 20th, 2013-15:13
:-) HAGWE Blomman ...  

An image as dark . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 20th, 2013-20:07
. . . as Bukowski's writings, blomman. You've captured the spirit of his work.

Thank you Art!

 
 By: blomman : June 22nd, 2013-12:37

..and sometimes just crazy....

 
 By: Ares501 : June 21st, 2013-02:13
:) Cheers dear Blomman See you D ...  

LOL! Yes...

 
 By: blomman : June 22nd, 2013-12:38
See you soon dear friend?! :) Best Blomman

Blomman my man!!

 
 By: nikolaj : June 21st, 2013-15:14
Seems you have been pulling triggers lately!? Dark picture but blood red dial :) Will I see it soon? Nikolaj

My man!

 
 By: blomman : June 22nd, 2013-12:39
Well... ... See you soon, my friend! ;) Best Blomman

Lack of English or Lack of Literacy?

 
 By: anaesdoc : June 20th, 2013-15:21
"There is a loneliness in this world so great that you can see it in the slow movement of the hands of a clock." (Astronomic clock on the city hall of Ulm, Germany) Hi Art, I tried to figure out, what the author wants to tell me with this sentence, but I ...  

I think Bukowski was writing of a loneliness . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 20th, 2013-20:34
. . . that afflicts people whose lives have no meaning other than mere existence. People who have been crushed; people who have no dreams, no aspirations, no beliefs, no hope. People whose only solace can be found in a bottle. People who are alone because... 

I start to see what his intention was ...

 
 By: anaesdoc : June 21st, 2013-03:34
Thanks, Art, for deciphering this metaphor for me! anaesdoc

Dear anaesdoc Art gave just brilliant response....

 
 By: Ares501 : June 21st, 2013-01:58
all I can add is that dirty realism is what Hank was best at and considered godfather of it ....and of course not the genre for everyone I like this definition: "Dirty realism is the fiction of a new generation of American authors. They write about the be... 

Loneliness...

 
 By: KIH : June 20th, 2013-20:09
... so few exist that this one is considered sort of a symbol of loneliness....? HAGWE! Ken ...  

Nice Ken...........

 
 By: Topcat30093 : June 20th, 2013-23:59
That is one piece of loneliness that I would happily accept :) HAGWE

Hmmm what have we here...WOTW winner???

 
 By: Ares501 : June 21st, 2013-03:36
I'm sure here's another great on loneliness “there are worse things than being alone but it often takes decades to realize this and most often when you do it's too late and there's nothing worse than too late” ― Charles Bukowski and I suppose one is never... 

Its mid winter here . Cold and lonely...No Bukowski theme here sorry

 
 By: watch-guy.com : June 20th, 2013-23:55
Just me and my old friend ...  

Oh but yes there is.......

 
 By: Ares501 : June 21st, 2013-03:39
“Real loneliness is not necessarily limited to when you are alone.” C.Bukowski Great piece nice shot Regards Damjan

Sorry ...

 
 By: p@trice : June 21st, 2013-00:37
Water ... HAGWE Best Patrice ...  

Nothing to be sorry for

 
 By: Ares501 : June 21st, 2013-03:40
“what matters most is how well you walk through the fire” ― Charles Bukowski :) Hagwe Patrice Damjan

In Russian, 'vodka' means . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 21st, 2013-10:04
. . . 'little water'. :-)

Sweet

 
 By: Noodia : June 21st, 2013-00:41
HAGWE Best, Laurent ...  

Charles II ?

 
 By: p@trice : June 21st, 2013-00:57
Best my friend ! Patrice ...  

so sweet that I'll...

 
 By: Ares501 : June 21st, 2013-03:46
bite my fingers off ;) Thank you in advance ;) Best Damjan ...  

BC for me

 
 By: MattS : June 21st, 2013-00:56
HAGWE Matt ...  

Your awesome shots are so appropriate for.....

 
 By: Ares501 : June 21st, 2013-03:49
following citation “Poetry is what happens when nothing else can.” ― Charles Bukowski Best Damjan

Thanks Damjan!

 
 By: MattS : June 21st, 2013-06:03
I feel honored! Matt

Would that be . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 21st, 2013-10:46
. . . B ukowski, C harles? :-)

Pictures to bring the poet out in us.

 
 By: Bill : June 21st, 2013-01:51
We can start with a title. Ode to the Crown Scratch that - how about Ode to the Big Crown. Ahh may be to explicit. "The Crown" A good start. HAGWE Bill ...  

Great shots for lifedance

 
 By: Ares501 : June 21st, 2013-03:44
;) HAGWE dear Bill Yours D ...  

I think about becoming one with .....

 
 By: Bill : June 21st, 2013-16:12
The ocean. So vast so mysterious so unexplored. Bill

Bukowski lived in San Pedro towards the end of his life . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 21st, 2013-11:00
. . . and while I don't know where this photo was taken, it might be in Los Angeles Harbor, near San Pedro. ...  

The water is always an inspiration

 
 By: Bill : June 21st, 2013-16:11
It is larger and more powerful than life. Bill

Loneliness...at the office

 
 By: sanro : June 21st, 2013-05:09
...  

I will, I will...

 
 By: sanro : June 21st, 2013-23:16
I just need to figure out how to do it in a way that my bosses and my wife (that was repetitive, I know)...that my Bosses don`t find out that I have stopped by in Paris "unnecesarily"... :)

Yes it can be devastating

 
 By: Ares501 : June 21st, 2013-23:50
;) ...  

I'm so lonely I could ...

 
 By: cazalea : June 21st, 2013-08:22
eat snail pellets with my whiskey or, drink whiskey with my breakfast of snail pellets while holding hands with a garden fork that I'll soon use to rip the flesh from my ... (am I catching the mood correctly here?) Cazalea ...  

You read the memo! . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 21st, 2013-11:06
. . . thanks, Mike ;-) . . .

That's the spirit Mike

 
 By: Ares501 : June 21st, 2013-23:46
;) All the best from very hot & sunny Croatia Yours Damjan “she was consumed by 3 simple things: drink, despair, loneliness; and 2 more: youth and beauty” ― Charles Bukowski , The People Look Like Flowers at Last

Interesting life he led...

 
 By: KCKL : June 21st, 2013-08:47
..one through hardship, great relationship with women, found inspiration in drinking, the place he live in, became a legend like a cult figure. Interesting. Was he like Hunter S. Thompson? ...  

Hunter Thompson is an apt reference, and so is . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 21st, 2013-10:33
. . . Raymond Chandler, the other noted LA writer who lived in an alcoholic haze. Jack Kerouac, too . . .

Sorry but for me Hank

 
 By: Ares501 : June 21st, 2013-13:30
was playing in different league if we talk about substance abusment than again different league Cheers D

Wanton chaos...

 
 By: jporos : June 21st, 2013-18:50
and destruction certainly describes my day. No Bukowski reference except in spirit. ...  

Here's the reference

 
 By: Ares501 : June 21st, 2013-23:41
“Pain is strange. A cat killing a bird, a car accident, a fire.... Pain arrives, BANG, and there it is, it sits on you. It's real. And to anybody watching, you look foolish. Like you've suddenly become an idiot. There's no cure for it unless you know some... 

Not quite Bukowski ...

 
 By: flamenco : June 21st, 2013-23:38
But a man who I am sure knew loneliness , solitude & despair in his immeasurable way .... To a great man whose life's struggles are etched so timelessly in his face .... ...  

Second shot!

 
 By: Ares501 : June 21st, 2013-23:43
Static photo winner for me this week Great flamenco Cheers Damjan “You begin saving the world by saving one man at a time; all else is grandiose romanticism or politics.” ― Charles Bukowski , Women

Thanks

 
 By: flamenco : June 22nd, 2013-05:06
But credit goes to Mandela! The man is so photogenic :) Not sure if u saw the full set, since I posted the photos on the first try.

I saw

 
 By: Ares501 : June 22nd, 2013-05:35
3 JLC/Mandela pics under is also small Zenith "Kennedy" 2x photos is there something else? Damjan P.S. That Zenith is my favorite square watch along with TAG Monaco

this is my watch that is lonely in the crowd.

 
 By: G99 : June 22nd, 2013-05:52
why? , because its the only watch in my collection to use a battery. i'll add a brooding, dark picture to try to get into the theme. it was actually taken in bright sunlight and fiddled with a bit. i've done enough solitude that i wont be reading and of C...  

Aaah, Graham, you are not the only one to own a Bulova Accutron!

 
 By: amanico : June 22nd, 2013-06:49
This is such a great watch! Enjoy Life, my friend. Best, Nicolas.

Dear Graham

 
 By: Ares501 : June 22nd, 2013-11:23
Reading Charles will make you positive and bright Trust me. Don't go with his poems go for novels and short stories you'll not regret it Start with Women....please... I mean novel women ... :) from Bukowski Cheers D “Things get bad for all of us, almost c... 

maybe i will if i...

 
 By: G99 : June 22nd, 2013-11:25
maybe i will if i get fed up with Terry Pratchett :) G On 22 Jun 2013 19:23, "www watchprosite" *Alert from:* www:watchprosite > *Posted By:* Ares501 (registered) on June 22nd, 2013 - 11:23 > > *Title: Dear Graham > * > > *

King Eddy Saloon, Skid Row . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 22nd, 2013-21:32
. . . downtown Los Angeles, corner of 5th and S Los Angeles. Charles Bukowski drank here. And, for a brief moment this afternoon, so did I. ...  

Daylight on Skid Row isn't so bad . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 22nd, 2013-21:53
. . . but at least until very recently, you wouldn't want to be here after sundown. On two occasions, I've gotten lost in Downtown late at night, and wound up in this nightmarish neighborhood before finding my way out. That's why I came to the King Eddy, ...  

My God

 
 By: Ares501 : June 23rd, 2013-01:03
you just gave me intolerable itch :(

Marilyn is . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 23rd, 2013-01:08
. . . so suggestive ;-) . . .

Touche!!! :)))))) [nt]

 
 By: Ares501 : June 23rd, 2013-01:10

The entrance . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 22nd, 2013-22:06
. . . with steel grated door and windows is what you'd expect for a bar in this neighborhood. I was allowed in before opening time, but the door remained closed until after security arrived, maybe five minutes after the posted 3:00 PM business hour. ...  

The manager allowed me in early . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 22nd, 2013-22:13
. . . to take photos. Not sure who this is supposed to be . . . . . . but this artwork represents . . . . . . a regular customer. Like, every day of the week for as long as anyone can remember. ...  

I miss L.A! ;) [nt]

 
 By: amanico : June 22nd, 2013-22:20

Geez, Nicolas, it's not even 6:30 AM in your . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 22nd, 2013-22:24
. . . neck of the woods! Up early this Sunday morning . . .

Maybe you're on your way . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 22nd, 2013-22:29
. . . to the King Eddy ;-) . . .

Ok, but only on a weekend . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 22nd, 2013-22:46
. . . and during daylight. A weekend so that we can find parking, and daylight so there's a good chance we get out alive. :-)

Well, no need for protection...

 
 By: amanico : June 22nd, 2013-22:49
As Blue Oyster Cult would sing, tell them... " Fear The Ripper ". ;)

Ah, finally figured it out, Nico . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 23rd, 2013-00:25
. . . you meant, "Don't . . . . . . Fear the Reaper" . . .

in that case you need...

 
 By: G99 : June 23rd, 2013-01:19
in that case you need Judas Priest for 'the Ripper'. On 23 Jun 2013 08:41, "www watchprosite" *Alert from:* www:watchprosite > *Posted By:* amanico (registered) on June 23rd, 2013 - 00:41 > > *Title: I prefer the Ripper... That is the Vlad's touch. :))) >... 

i still have the original...

 
 By: G99 : June 24th, 2013-01:28
i still have the original vinyl. G On 24 Jun 2013 07:05, "www watchprosite" *Alert from:* www:watchprosite > *Posted By:* amanico (registered) on June 23rd, 2013 - 23:05 > > *Title: Bravo, Graham! you know your Classics! > * > > *

LOL! Me too!

 
 By: amanico : June 24th, 2013-22:43

I think . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 22nd, 2013-22:22
. . . this is Bill Roller, seated in front of Casey, the bartender. I would've talked to him, but the mantra for the King Eddy . . . . . . induced my respect for the patrons' privacy. ...  

It's long been my dream to own a bar . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 22nd, 2013-23:02
. . . and Plan B is for Bill to own one ;-) . . .

Wow Art now you start to play

 
 By: Ares501 : June 23rd, 2013-01:23
hard ball... well what to say if you own bar... I'll move to LA :)

How can you tell a . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 22nd, 2013-22:32
. . . real dive bar from a pretender? Real dive bars serve cans, not bottles ;-) . . . ...  

Of course, they have . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 22nd, 2013-22:38
. . . draft beer, too . . . . . . and a fair selection . . . . . . of the hard stuff. And no, I didn't try the moonshine! :-) ...  

I think I saw this on a wall

 
 By: Ares501 : June 23rd, 2013-01:32
what a nice hommage Art you are making my day :) ...  

The view from just inside the entrance . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 22nd, 2013-22:56
. . . and the front of the bar. Notice the vintage console radios . . . . . . on a shelf above the bar; they belonged to a collector and are now part of the decor. Très cool ! ...  

My grandmother used to have one

 
 By: Ares501 : June 23rd, 2013-01:34
from Philips sadly it got destroyed but some uncivilized members of my family just half a dozen years ago It still hurts me

Damjan's . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 22nd, 2013-23:40
. . . Terra Santa . . . . . . the table where Bukowski drank and wrote. ...  

Well, Damjan, I may not have read any of Bukowski's works . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 22nd, 2013-23:48
. . . but I have sipped beer at his watering hole. I hope you make it to So Cal someday; a trip to the shrine will be on the list of things to do. Cordially, Art ...  

You look like at home, Art. Brilliant! [nt]

 
 By: amanico : June 22nd, 2013-23:55
No message body

Art you got me at ....

 
 By: Ares501 : June 23rd, 2013-01:38
The Entrance.... ;) Well what to say reading and replying this hot Sunday morning to your post just makes sense Your truly Damjan “you've got to burn straight up and down and then maybe sidewise for a while and have your guts scrambled by a bully and the ... 

If there is justice..

 
 By: Ares501 : June 23rd, 2013-01:39
in this world (hey Nicolas is it????) :) we'll break some serious moonshine together there Art ;) Yours

You can 'break' the moonshine, Damjan . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 23rd, 2013-11:55
. . . I'll break . . . . . . at 3-ball ;-) . . .

Hmmm.... well...OK [nt]

 
 By: Ares501 : June 23rd, 2013-23:47

They say that picture speak thousand words

 
 By: Ares501 : June 23rd, 2013-00:52
Then this one speaks millions I can taste it.... Most cordially Damjan

The Loneliness of old documents and watches....

 
 By: dreamer8 : June 23rd, 2013-02:02
until they are viewed and the memories and recollections of times past floods back, of significant world history that is about to unfold. Reveals old systems used that looks archaic now. Iconic Brands that have disappeared in a new world order. I was prep...  

Thank You Nico. ..

 
 By: dreamer8 : June 23rd, 2013-18:48
you are full of encouragement. I just wanted to participate. Cheers,dreamer

If only I could find my BOAC logbook! . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 23rd, 2013-12:07
. . . circa 1964, filled with notes from pilots flying us all around the world. One of my earliest flights was on the then brand-spanking new VC-10; BOAC gave children log books to record their flight information. Thanks for sharing, dreamer . . .

Please show your BOAC log book when you find it.

 
 By: dreamer8 : June 23rd, 2013-18:58
It would be very interesting to many of us here. On the subject of flying, long ago prior to new safety rules etc., my wife and I and our 3.5 years old daughter was allowed into the cockpit of a commercial jet flying from Brisbane to Melbourne. The pilot ... 

Baron, you are not looking in good shape, my friend.

 
 By: amanico : June 23rd, 2013-06:13
You need a good trip in Paris, to get better! ;) Best, Nicolas

PS: Bring the watch with you....

 
 By: amanico : June 23rd, 2013-06:15
I will tade it for a virgin or two... some fresh blood is good for health. ;)