Overview of the Nautilus line's History and celebrating its 40th anniversary in 2016

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Hi everyone,

Baselworld 2016 will be showing its nose in a month or so and, as it is also an important year for the Nautilus line, I thought it would be interesting to have a look back and discuss what we would like to see this year.

First, let me be clear that I don't know if the event/new watch/limited edition will happen during Baselworld or later in the year.

However, this important reference for the brand is something that has been evolving by very clever and balanced small touches to become the icon it is today and I think it is worth discussing before Basel... just in case!



A LITTLE HISTORY

The adventure started with the 3700/1A (120m waterproof), which was designed by Gerald Genta in 1972 and was produced from 1976 until 1990. It was equipped with a sapphire glass, screw-down crown and plain caseback (4 screws to ensure water impermeability) and the 28-255 caliber (JLC based).




It was a very thin (7.6mm) but wide (42x38mm, hence the "Jumbo" name as most watches then were below 37mm) steel model that was designed to be an elegant and strong watch that could be worn everyday and even for sportier activities. This was very unusual for that time (when Quartz was spreading over the watchmaking world, changing the way people were wearing watches) as you could mostly choose between tool-watches or dressy ones (mostly in gold). We must not forget that the watchmaking world was quite skeptical about this bold move by Patek. The sales performance was terrible at the beginning as it was too large, difficult and expensive to produce and that the blue dial we love today wasn't that successful then.



What was also particularly unique was the price tag, taking into account it was made of steel and not from gold. At that time, luxury watches were mostly made of precious metal, sometimes with a bracelet and even with a diamond-set dial (more than today).

However, there happened to exist clients willing to find this specific combination of attributes in their watch. Indeed, the 1970's were years when lifestyle or way of life changed a lot the customers' profile and what they needed. The more classical and more fragile gold watches, subject to scratches, were not relevant for sportier activities. Customers could be at their office during the day and going on doing all kind of sports at the end of the afternoon or on week-ends. The usual dressy watches were made for dinners rather than meeting an exciting and younger lifestyle. This also aimed at reaching a younger clientele.

Here are some of the old adverts from Patek's campaign about the Nautilus. The following one was quite famous and matches the sporty style to the dressier spirit in a quite daring move...






















Thanks to the vision of the designer and Patek Philippe's President, the Nautilus ended as an icon among watch fans and collectors. The line-up's History was on the move.

Following this first reference, from 1981 to 2006, the smaller 3800/1A (37.5mm) perpetuated the very successful line-up. The previous movement was replaced by the 335 SC caliber which was Patek Philippe's own slim movement. By the way, a desire for Patek to make their own movements led to today where the brand is offering in-house made and designed movements only.



In 1998, the 3710/1A announced the return of the "Jumbo" size. The most visible details were the introduction of Roman numerals on a plain black dial (not striped) and its newest development: a patented power reserve indicator. It was equipped with the 330 SC IZR caliber and was discontinued in 2006.



The 3712/1A (42x8.37mm) was launched in 2005, discontinued one year later and was a more complicated model than the previous references (still using the 2-parts case construction) and an older version of the 240 caliber (remaining below 4mm thick) which was, this time, visible thanks to a see-through caseback.



A significant change in the family developement

In 2006, for the 30th anniversary, a new whole collection was unveiled consisting of the 5711, 5712 (both in 43mm, thus +1mm) and 5980 references. You can recognize in a glance the new case shape with the lightly curved ears compared to their ancestors (straight sides), the case construction was made of 3 different parts and the crown was a little bigger. The 5712 received several additional changes as the power reserve's red dots number, the 6-8 o'clock applied markers or the sub date numbers' orientation.


The 5711 first...

With its new case construction...



Here is the latest rose gold version, to fit a different wearing style...

 


And again, here are some more recent examples of the Nautilus advertizing campaign...










Then, illustrations of the 5712 and its great 240 caliber...







And finally, the 5980 Chronograph...


...and its construction scheme...



...with pictures of different versions from purists (the white dial may be my favorite one)...


Credit: Alex








Less famous, a smaller 5800 reference for smaller wrists (unisex in fact) was unveiled in the mean time in a 38.4mm case (the 3800 was 37.5mm) and housed the 330 SC caliber. You can find TonyR's review here : www.watchprosite.com 



Here is the video of the 30th anniversary's video Patek Philippe made for the occasion:



The 5726 with its clever and useful Annual Calendar was unveiled in 2010 and is a reference I like a lot (even if I prefer thinner cases Nautiluses).





Finally, in 2014, the steel 5980 was discontinued and the 5990 reference made its entry into the family combining the Chronograph and the Dual Time complications.






The 28-520 caliber used in the 5990:

 


ABOUT THE FORTHCOMING 40th ANNIVERSARY

Now, for this year, the 40th anniversary is another decade step for the line-up and may deserve something special. The 30th anniversary collection saw the introduction of new references in the context of the build-up of a brand new family around the 3700's legacy and the fresh born 3712. Now that this collection has settled strongly into Patek Philippe's history, it is not likely IMHO that the brand shuffles the cards entirely again and replaces all the references available today.

This being said, what are the possibilities that remain possible? Here are my guesses/wishes.

To begin with, let's open with the possible discontinued references: trying to guess is very difficult as all the existing models can still remain classic standards for a while. But hey, didn't they replace the 5980? Not forgetting that they can also decide not to add any additional references or aesthetic evolutions and just organize a celebration event with the introduction of several new material/dial color combinations (more unlikely in my opinion)

Anyway, if they went for a more significant change, what would they add today? A new model or an aesthetic evolution of an existing model only? If it is an aesthetic evolution, it could touch one or several references but I don't think all the Nautilus line will as the 5990 is very recent and that it would imply quite massive an investment so as production transformations for the 5 families.

In the end, there are too many possibilities so I'll just say what I would love to get if I was a potential owner with a budget.

I don't know if it will be a limited edition watch or a standard reference included in the current catalogue. The problem concerning limited editions from Patek is that they are so rare that the brand has to cope with all the customers (sometimes even longtime faithful ones) who can't get one of the pieces because of the high demand. The standard novelty would please any fan of the brand, without leaving people on the side of the road.


Now which one for me? Well, I guess one of these:

A new thinner 5711 (let's call it "5700" for now) with the 31-260 caliber would be fantastic. However, the problem is that this caliber is designed as a completely integrated movement: the Annual Calendar complication is not a module but totally integrated in the whole picture, a move which by the way remains quite rare nowadays when dealing with traditional brands. It will then imply to make a significantly different caliber and not just an adjustment on the basis of the existing one. Of course, I imagine that Patek has planned to use this base in more than just one reference (5235G today), otherwise it would be a little too expensive. The addition of a small second is also something very different from the micro-rotor it has today (considering where it is placed currently). However, the 240 would also be perfect in that project. This is my first choice as thinness is a very important asset to me when considering a nautilus model.

=> Would be great but quite unlikely (unless they remove the 5711).


Many here are wishing a Perpetual Calendar complication. As the Annual Calendar exists, I imagine it is possible (maybe together with the discontinuation of the 5726?). I'd like that even if I think I would prefer a PC in a round classical Calatrava case (just my own feeling). The 3 date elements could be placed as in the 5205 for instance (i.e. windows at 10, 12 and 2 o'clock), a layout I would much prefer compared to a subdials version. Personally, I hope it won't look too thick (something they can do from the 5140/3940 experience).

=> A Perpetual Calendar Nautilus is very plausible.


An existing model in a more exotic material? Certainly not Titanium but Platinum or white gold maybe? I think the bracelet crafting from such a tough material (Platinum) is causing so much troubles that it is hard to believe they can make several hundreds of them.

=> Would be fantastic but very unlikely to me.


SUMMARY

Well, a lot of elements to consider but how exciting it is to play such guessing game, knowing how a wonderful line the Nautilus is today, not only for Patek Philippe collectors and admirers but also for watch lovers.

A 40-years history, for me the most elegant and refined Sport-Chic bracelet watch, a bracelet craftsmanship, design and finishing that make it beautiful and one of the most comfortable in the market, a potential for coping with tougher activities, a gorgeous dial decoration (colors, markers, striped dial) and a nicely finished array of movements: this is why it is such a successful line today and, more personally, why I started admiring the brand.

Now, I'd be very curious to know what your expectations are!

Cheers, Mark


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Discrete evolution

 
 By: RGS : February 19th, 2016-04:56
I will risk three predictions for the 40th anniversary, since I am a fan of the Nautilus line myself! 1) A platinum 5980 (not limited, but obviously with very low production numbers... and a very heavy price tag). Discontinuation of all other remaining 59... 

5980P, not possible

 
 By: ch9698 : February 19th, 2016-06:24
they tried but too heavy

These are potential interesting guesses

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 19th, 2016-06:27
...except maybe about the Platinum versions when added to bracelets as the tools are wearing very much while crafting this dense material and it is even more difficult to produce at a high volume output. I read about reasons supporting the 5712 discontinu... 

40th wishes

 
 By: keks : February 19th, 2016-05:11
Firstly thanks Mark for the wonderful history. Nautilus is just a phenomenal line and I hope they will keep it classy and evolve with the following iterations: - 5726P on a strap with champagne or salmon dial - 5726R on a strap with a black dial - 5980P o... 

My pleasure keks, thanks :)

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 19th, 2016-06:36
I see that you're also keen on Platinum choices for the Nautilus. So do I, but I must say that using this material is a real problem when dealing with tools life expectancy... I don't think they will go that way for a standard edition, even for the 40th, ... 

my thoughts

 
 By: patrickh : February 19th, 2016-05:11
just a little increased sized case for all the Nautilus collection and a perpetual calendar version. Less than a month to discover all new models ;-)) Mark, congratulations for this detailed post ++++ Cheers, Patrickh

That's a daring move

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 19th, 2016-07:51
but I think there is always a demand for little bigger watches so I imagine it isn't impossible. Yes, less than a month Patrick, and time for specualtions! Thanks for your warm comments Cheers, Mark

Amazing work as always, Mark!

 
 By: sanzaw : February 19th, 2016-05:27
How about a skeletonized Nautilus? Here\'s one for the weekend! ...  

Fantastic Article Mark. I shall have no guesses or wishes....

 
 By: hashluck : February 19th, 2016-07:10
..it is easier that way Personally I am sure we do not need an even bigger Nautilus, we have seen a Platinum 5711 and I am sure that caused enough pain for a limited market (oh no now I am playing the guessing game must stop To me there are already too ma... 

You're courageous to resist!

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 19th, 2016-09:20
I must say, even if I can understand some people like bigger sizes (and I think they should be provided with such an offer), I wouldn't really like to see such increase personally. In the mean time, if it remains a +0.5 or +1mm maybe it would be ok (or I ... 

This is an interesting suggestion

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 19th, 2016-09:12
we rarely saw in the catalogue (5180, more a craftmanship work). The problem is that, as we don't have any, it may not seem "Patek enough" and the Royal Oak does this also (and very well). But it is a question we can legitimately ask. You picture's light ... 

Like you, thinness is a virtue I hope the Nautilus line will continue to pride itself in...

 
 By: sanzaw : February 19th, 2016-17:52
Whether it is going to be a skeletonized version (where thinness may not be a real challenge), or a Perpetual Calendar complication. Now, a perpetual calendar Nautilus, while keeping the proportions of the 5711 would truly be a gound-breaking achievement.... 

I agree totally

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 20th, 2016-07:14
The PC in a thin case would be the goal to achieve, hence using the 240, as they perfectly do with the 5140/5940 etc... (I would not like it in a 5980 case personally) Now, I wonder how round subdials would look in the Nautilus case? Or maybe they can use... 

Once again: a fantastic post, thank you

 
 By: dr.kol : February 19th, 2016-07:06
The best way to tell me about my predictions is to tell that in April I will get my 5712 to pair with my 3712. I really hope that 5712 will be replaced by a perpetual Nautilus and if it will, I'll order the perpetual on spot. Soon we see! Best, Kari

Well, I know you appeal for the Perpetual Calendar

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 19th, 2016-09:24
this is a very nice complication while keeping nice proportions. Will it be too much next to the 5726? I don't know but maybe... Yes, less than a month Kari. Cheers, Mark

It is easy to discontinue 5726.

 
 By: dr.kol : February 19th, 2016-09:33
This watch has been sold with rebates and that's not to the liking of Patek. Best, Kari

They indeed can replace it with the PC

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 19th, 2016-10:06
in the mean time, the clients who already bought a 5726 may not be happy to see the PC is coming soon after... Another possibility we'll have to check at Basel or later in the year. Cheers, Mark

I think AC & PC are quite different watches as well as different

 
 By: dr.kol : February 19th, 2016-10:30
price classes. No owner of AC should be upset if the reference is replaced by PC. I hope this will happen! Best, Kari

It is!

 
 By: dr.kol : February 19th, 2016-14:03
However, if Patek wants to develop the Nautilus family to new directions, there are not that many alternatives. Perpetual, world time, chronograph AC, split second chronograph, diver, minute repeater... The last three ones are very unlikely. Let's see how... 

I know Patek is good at making surprises

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 19th, 2016-14:54
In the mean time, there are some complications I wouldn't like to see in the Nautilus line, as they fit a more classical "spirit" to me: Minute repeater and Tourbillon. This is a family that can very well remain with simple complications, the best example... 

I must admit that watches like 3700

 
 By: dr.kol : February 19th, 2016-22:05
are hard, if not impossible, to beat. I'll show one day something amazing. Best, Kari

I like amazing :)

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 20th, 2016-07:16
In the mean time, as a daily wear, I don't know it the thinness of the 3700 makes it resistance enough. I think it is a watch to be used on weekends only (i.e. once in a while). But, yes Kari, what a beautiful watch it is. Cheers, Mark

The track record of 3700 is great

 
 By: dr.kol : February 20th, 2016-12:17
and PP Service in Geneva is there to secure that the watch is as water proff than on the day it was born. Best Kari

This is important indeed

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 20th, 2016-14:20
it would really be a shame not to be able to enjoy it because not sure it can be restored/serviced. This is a great asset from the brand as well. Looking forward to see this Kari. Cheers, Mark

Thank you Markfor a lovely report on the Nautilus ! My guess and hope are for a simple...

 
 By: GLau : February 19th, 2016-08:20
5711 with a seconds sub-dial and no date function, thus bringing out more Patek DNA of simple elegance and providing a "LESS is MORE" concept. BTW, did the 30th anniversary see limited editions ? If not, I think 40th will not neither. Perhaps at 50th, whi... 

Interesting how you see it

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 19th, 2016-12:14
I would think that the central second is more "less is more", but this is my subjective perspective of course. You'd like something like in the 5124G I presume? The thing is that I don't see a small second version on the 324 caliber in the catalogue neith... 

Thank you

 
 By: coz : February 19th, 2016-08:37
Thank you for an excellent summary. Next month should be interesting for sure! One thing on the 3700 production you had 1976-1990. Was that supposed to be -1980? Best regards

Next month... or later...

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 19th, 2016-12:17
as I don't know when they will launch the 40th anniversary event. The 3700 was produced from 1976 to 1990. You think it seems too much? Thanks for your kind words coz. Cheers, Mark

3700

 
 By: coz : February 19th, 2016-13:53
Hi, I had always thought the 3800 replaced the 3700. Thanks learn something new every day!

This 2

 
 By: dom007 : February 23rd, 2016-10:42
I would like to see a slim tourbillon only and a slim travel time only, both in blue.

Well, I don't know if they wish to bring a TT Nautilus next to the Aquanaut

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 24th, 2016-13:49
but they may hear you wish though! As for the tourbillon, I must say I'm not a fan of them in sportier watches but, as they are usually only visible from the back, it may be a great combination in the end. We'll see! Cheers, Mark

Very nice report Mark.

 
 By: geross : February 19th, 2016-08:44
Its a very iconic line for Patek. Slick & sexy , it really makes the wearer standout. Cheers Geross.

perpetual nautilus [nt]

 
 By: 5212A : February 19th, 2016-09:57

Exactly, without being show-off at all.

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 20th, 2016-07:18
It also has this little 70's touch I personally love. Thank you Geross, not long to wait if Basel (otherwise a little later in the year). Cheers, Mark

40 years already!

 
 By: Dje : February 19th, 2016-11:30
Hi Mark, As I'm a great fan of the 5711, I hope it will reman unchanged. For celebration, I would imagine an Advanced Research 5711 version. But we're always surprised by Patek Philippe. Wait and see. Best regards Dje

So am I.

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 20th, 2016-07:25
Djé, it is great to read your here! I have a 5712 but love the 5711 and always considered it wasn't "stupid" to consider having both. If it was stopped, I would really have to seriously think about it. I didn't see this that way but I realize you're right... 

Hard to tell cory

 
 By: Mark in Paris : March 8th, 2016-15:19
I would say at least all the 4 elements from the 5550 but maybe with improved shapes? Would be a quite unique Nautilus limited edition. Cheers, Mark

As Amazing as always !

 
 By: gautamak : February 19th, 2016-16:02
Thanks Mark for interesting as well as amazing report on the Nautilus line. It gave me details of my Nautilus 3710/!A which is plain but interesting. Will not be surprised to see new model but want to see with not much change to original/s. Anyway its jus... 

Pc like this

 
 By: 5212A : February 20th, 2016-08:17
...  

Very nice. ;)

 
 By: cory : February 20th, 2016-12:22
I will take one of those.

As I answered earlier

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 21st, 2016-15:07
I learned quite much too and it helped me placing the references in the timeline. I also think that what is existing currently shouldn't be touched but only replalced as a whole. Yes, less than a month if they decide to release the Nautilus 40th for Basel... 

Nice overview of the Nautilus line

 
 By: jon_jon : February 20th, 2016-21:04
Looking forward to seeing the 40th Anniversary timepieces!

Mark, thanks a lot for your memorable report!

 
 By: kolosstt : February 20th, 2016-23:28
Good read, very interesting and detailed. Will come back here! For the 40th: Update the 5726 with a more sophisticated moonphase to it, and month and day window with a it of room to breath. Salutations Kolosstt

I'm glad you enjoyed it!

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 22nd, 2016-07:42
Thank you Kolosstt for your compliments and we'll see if your wishes come true in the next few months (Basel or later). Cheers, Mark

Wild guesses only..

 
 By: chuck19 : February 21st, 2016-05:30
as we know it is almost impossible to guess what will PP unveil this time. If they will discontinue their 5980 line, then perhaps a new chrono might replace it using the 5170 movement. It feels unlikely they will discontinue their mainstay 5711 and 5712, ... 

Indeed, it is always a tricky game

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 22nd, 2016-07:50
but quite educational about everyone's tastes and priorities. I thought at first I wouldn't see the 29-535 fitting into the Nautilus but after a while it may look good in such a case. I just wonder how the caliber's finishing (cote de geneve and edges wor... 

Great Post ! My guess...

 
 By: Mr OP : February 22nd, 2016-00:27
As a Nautilus 5712 owner, I think it should be discontinued after 10 years and maybe be replaced by a perpetual calendar ( the 5140 has already been discontinued) with the 240 ( both SS on bracelet or gold on strap ) That would be the star of the show... ... 

I like your development!

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 22nd, 2016-08:05
It seems indeed that the progressive transition from 5980 to 5990 looks quite logical, so maybe some more move in that field (like 5960 towards 5905 in a way). Concerning the Nautilus, I've always been a steel + bracelet guy (even if I find straps models ... 

Merci Mark :) !

 
 By: Mr OP : February 22nd, 2016-12:14
nt

Amazing post Mark!

 
 By: agyzace : February 22nd, 2016-00:39
So educational. I don\'t have any guesses, although many that I read make a lot of sense. The one that made me drool was the idea of a salmon dial 5711...or a grey one... That would be awesome. All the very best, Alex

It is interesting to see that the answers also mention simple models

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 23rd, 2016-07:45
and not only complicated ones. We often talk about the gorgeous blue dial and its very specific aspect (which imho places this dial at the top of the sport-chic ranking list) but for having seen the blacker dial on the 5726 for instance, I find it amazing... 

Personally, I'd like to see...

 
 By: watchme : February 22nd, 2016-12:39
a 5712/1A with the white dial. I also think a 5911? (larger case) would appeal to many who consider Patek too small. -Dean

The 5712/1A is indeed available in blue only

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 23rd, 2016-07:54
I must say the 5712 would look really good with this white color. It is already a quite sporty piece, though remaining elegant because of its thinness, but the white dial would be very pretty indeed. The second element is something very interesting. Many ... 

nice thread

 
 By: randy_yeap : February 25th, 2016-23:50
Personally I think PP will not discontinued 5712 or 5711 as they are still selling very well. (may be they will lower the number of production). The new line up will something stronger the Nautilus collection. A new PC would be my guess. White gold 5711/1... 

Thanks for this input randy. [nt]

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 26th, 2016-14:07

Great post Mark !

 
 By: DrStrong : February 27th, 2016-00:46
I am proud I provided a reference picture for the 3800. Here are some more ...  

It was a great surprise

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 27th, 2016-14:09
when I was looking for pictures as well as a great find indeed, thank you! Do you still have it? Have a nice Sunday JF. Cheers, Mark

seeing Nautilus in boutiques is quite impossible....

 
 By: mahesh : October 15th, 2019-12:05
getting one is even more so....better reading the old post ;-) i recently saw the new Nautilus Annual Calendar in secondary market is priced above the retail of Nautilus PC in WG !

I miss Mark

 
 By: Thomahof : October 15th, 2019-13:38
Does anybody know what happened with him? Thomas

+1!!!

 
 By: Pretty Boy : October 16th, 2019-01:17
He did a great job. Best, V.

What a nice repost!

 
 By: patrick_y : October 15th, 2019-10:48
Some of those predictions came true!